STM Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 A bizarre turn around in form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I don't think it's bizarre. Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Mackems away. If he doesn't do OK in these games he's a total lost cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I don't think it's bizarre. Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Mackems away. If he doesn't do OK in these games he's a total lost cause. Aren't those game pretty tough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 All games you'd expect him to be up for though. If he keeps it up in the next 2 home games I'll be very impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 They suit him, he can just hack the ball away again and again and it's job done. It's when he's expected to contribute in a footballing sense that he's exposed for what he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 They suit him, he can just hack the ball away again and again and it's job done. It's when he's expected to contribute in a footballing sense that he's exposed for what he is. Well, at least we've got someone who's good for those battling type of games! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Glad never wrote him off and glad to see a bit of the old Tiote back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Many on this forum never understood the difference between form and ability. Tiote has the tools to be a solid midfielder, but had a terrible season last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Many on this forum never understood the difference between form and ability. Tiote has the tools to be a solid midfielder, but had a terrible season last. I don't think he was helped by our weird experiments with formations. Not many of our players looked like they really understood what their roles were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 couple of gems from judge ronaldo here He needs singling out because he's a brainless idiot that costs us points and contributes nothing in a footballing sense. The rest generally do. He can't retain the ball under pressure. It's nothing to do with Pardew or Essien or anything but Tiote being a pretty poor footballer. It's garbage, tbh. Trying to dissect Cheick Tiote as a footballer is as pointless as offering an objective critique of Gary Glitter's sexual performance. should be a nice graph charting people's overestimation of his ability, his preposterous nosedive in form and people's overreactions to that, vs. his actual level...was always going to be able to regain some sort of form doing what he's good at and using his physical attributes correctly mind you, i did suggest they should lock him up and throw away the key for his driving licence charge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Being shit for 2 years isn''t bad form though. Bad form is when you have a bad couple of games, maybe a month. 2 years is something else and for me it's rank bad coaching. Trying to turn him into Essien was a ridiculously stupid move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Stand by everything I said there. When he fits my definition of a good midfielder I'll hold my hands up. Thing is with Tiote, if we win nobody gives a shit how he's actually played because it's just taken for granted that he's helped us see the game out. Good performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Stand by everything I said there. what bothers me about your opinion is that you won't accept that external factors may have had a major influence on him looking so shit, he's just shit and that it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Quite agree, textbook case of form is temporary class is permanent. He has looked great in the last few games and he has kept it relatively simple in the middle. More of the same pls... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ronaldo, you shouldn't let your ego cloud your judgement, we all make mistakes and bigger the man who is prepared to admit to one when evidence points completely to the contrary of what they are preaching... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Being s*** for 2 years isn''t bad form though. Bad form is when you have a bad couple of games, maybe a month. 2 years is something else and for me it's rank bad coaching. Trying to turn him into Essien was a ridiculously stupid move. So he was shit the entire season we finished 5th? Playing in nearly all of those games when we won 6 on a trot. Man United at home 3-0. Chelsea away 2-0. Playing in those opening 6-7 games we went unbeaten. All the way crap yeah? Okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ronaldo, you shouldn't let your ego cloud your judgement, we all make mistakes and bigger the man who is prepared to admit to one when evidence points completely to the contrary of what they are preaching... Good, because I wholeheartedly believe that you're wrong and will look forward to you possibly admitting it. Stand by everything I said there. what bothers me about your opinion is that you won't accept that external factors may have had a major influence on him looking so shit, he's just shit and that it As I've said a million times on here, he has very little of what I look for in a midfielder. It's that simple. No coincidence to me whatsoever that we play much, much better football with Anita on the pitch in his place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 hang on then so he's not shit, he just doesn't have what you look for in a midfielder? that makes more sense then, glad you can admit he's not shit, fair play to you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 He's shit at the things I look for in a midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Being good at one thing (breaking up play and playing it simple) doesn't make you a good footballer, though. Whenever he's been used to try and do more than that he's come up badly short. He hadn't even been good at breaking things down for a while and just bulldozed through people like a complete idiot. He's our version of Nigel De Jong (and I know that I say that all the time) in that he looks good when you have a team that is defending and won't/can't retain possession for long periods. At the moment that looks like us, but whenever we keep the ball and need someone to keep it moving, he looks crap. We have Anita for that, we just need to use him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ronaldo, you shouldn't let your ego cloud your judgement, we all make mistakes and bigger the man who is prepared to admit to one when evidence points completely to the contrary of what they are preaching... Good, because I wholeheartedly believe that you're wrong and will look forward to you possibly admitting it. LOL, I like that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ronaldo, you shouldn't let your ego cloud your judgement, we all make mistakes and bigger the man who is prepared to admit to one when evidence points completely to the contrary of what they are preaching... Good, because I wholeheartedly believe that you're wrong and will look forward to you possibly admitting it. LOL, I like that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Third time's the charm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Being good at one thing (breaking up play and playing it simple) doesn't make you a good footballer, though. Whenever he's been used to try and do more than that he's come up badly short. He hadn't even been good at breaking things down for a while and just bulldozed through people like a complete idiot. He's our version of Nigel De Jong (and I know that I say that all the time) in that he looks good when you have a team that is defending and won't/can't retain possession for long periods. At the moment that looks like us, but whenever we keep the ball and need someone to keep it moving, he looks crap. We have Anita for that, we just need to use him. Agree completely with second paragraph. We have to realize that different teams need different approaches, hope Pardew does aswell and it's not a case of his pragmatic approach rather than the soundbites he gave us earlier on in the season i.e. possession attacking football.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I don't think the dispute is about Anita or Chieck, according to Ron chieck is a "crap" footballer in all aspects. The rest of us like to point out that there should be a balance between defensive and offensive facets to their play i.e. Anita's offensive play outweighs his defensive and vice versa with Chieck. I don't think Norwich will be such a pushover TBH, hope the players don't have our nonchalant, "we'll win" attitude. Banana skin suitably placed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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