aston villa

[KennyUtd]

27 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

Is there an example where a decision has been overturned that effects a final league position, after a final league has been confirmed?

Yeah, it happened once in Roy of The Rovers. Roy was fkn furious. 

[GeordieDazzler]

1 minute ago, Benwell Lad said:

 

Lot's of worthless hindsight from Villa and assorted others regarding the ref's appointment and alleged lack of experience.

Did anyone raise the issue before the game or was it just after they felt something went against them during the game ?

Nope. 
 

I get that they are upset, we’d probably be spitting feathers too but I think these pissy statements from clubs - Arsenal after they played us last year, Liverpool after the Spurs mistake and now this are just performative nonsense.  
 

If they had scored more goals than us and conceded less then they wouldn’t have an issue. A season is 38 games not 1.

[Vaj]

It doesn't matter that he stands on his hand, every tackle has contact on a player as well, all that matters is that he got the ball first and it wasn't under control from the goalkeeper.

 

I love the fact that it was controversial, we got enough points over the course of the season to earn a CL spot and we can laugh at them for the injustice of that goal being disallowed. Win win and iI hope it sets them back a few years! 

[Optimistic Nut]

I want the Viduka disallowed goal in 2009 overturned and the Aguero offside up here in 2016 too. 

[Superior Acuña]

I wonder if Villa would consider it worth it if they end up winning the Europa - which they have a great chance of. A few years ago I'd have definitely taken a UEFA/Europa cup over CL qualification - without hesitation. But feel like the trophy has degraded so much, I'm not sure I would now. I'd consider it well below the League Cup these days given the opposition. But then you see Tottenham fans loved it. (Relatedly I'd have been gutted if we won something during Covid. When you wait a long time, might as well wait a bit longer to do it properly)

 

 

Edited yesterday at 14:06 by Superior Acuña

[Superior Acuña]

4 hours ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

Indeed - 

 

 

 

Given that the ref made the decision on field.  Let's say he did not blow.  Was there even enough proof to overturn the on field decision?  Especially looking at that and the ambiguity of the rule.  In the comments of the above tweet the Manc goes all in on the "between hands argument"!.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think you can say the keeper has it under control. But I didn't realise he steps on his hand - I think that would have stopped VAR allowing the goal.

[BergenMagpie]

2 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

 

I don't think you can say the keeper has it under control. But I didn't realise he steps on his hand - I think that would have stopped VAR allowing the goal.

Yeah so much fuzz over nothing. Didnt they show these pictures during the game? Would never stand 

[Checko]

Yeah the rule's interesting there because:

 

"A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save"

 

Does that count as a rebound from the goalkeeper, where it's bobbling between his hands as he gathers it? Would be interesting to get a rule clarification. If not then he can't be challenged there. 

 

Of course in this case, even if he could challenge it looks like a foul anyway cause he's stood on his hand as he goes in. That's at least a careless challenge in my book. Ultimately it's the person making the challenge's responsibility to do so safely.

 

And it does make sense for the general principle of the rule to be to say you can't go in with your feet as a keeper's picking up the ball, given that hands can be quite fragile and they are useful to keepers.

 

Anyway, Villa were apparently absolutely shit on the day and deserved to get beat. The 5 teams with the best goal difference over the season finished top 5. And if Man U's shit goalkeeper could just pick up a slow-moving ball properly, or if their shit strikers could just shoot properly, we wouldn't have all this hoo-ha.

[timeEd32]

Emery is fast becoming my favorite PL villain. Just watched the Man United highlights again to see his tantrums. 

[PauloGeordio]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

Emery is fast becoming my favorite PL villain. Just watched the Man United highlights again to see his tantrums. 

He’s some guy 

[leffe186]

1 hour ago, Superior Acuña said:

I wonder if Villa would consider it worth it if they end up winning the Europa - which they have a great chance of. A few years ago I'd have definitely taken a UEFA/Europa cup over CL qualification - without hesitation. But feel like the trophy has degraded so much, I'm not sure I would now. I'd consider it well below the League Cup these days given the opposition. But then you see Tottenham fans loved it. (Relatedly I'd have been gutted if we won something during Covid. When you wait a long time, might as well wait a bit longer to do it properly)

 

 

 

Was gonna say - guaranteed Villa trophy now, no?

[gbandit]

On 26/05/2025 at 15:56, gbandit said:

You could cast Thomas Frank and Unai Emery as the killers in a gritty European detective noir with Eddie Howe as the calm collected cop with his sidekick Jason Tindall flying off the handle and getting up in suspects’ faces. Fairly sure you’ve got a multi-million pound award winning series there. Dan Burn would be an excellent undertaker with some secrets to share 

Not a major spoiler but the person who got killed in the first episode was Paul Mitchell. A gardener named Dan was snapped at the scene 

[NSG]

The step on the hand is exactly the type of thing VAR missed because the officials are too focussed on whether or not he dropped the ball. 
 

Fortunately they came to the right decision, probably by accident  

[KennyUtd]

Case closed. 

[The College Dropout]

9 hours ago, Tiresias said:

the standing on hand thing i have to admit I didn't spot at time so arguably does redeem the refs call, but I think we'd all be upset to be on the receiving end of that. However, what Villa are brushing under the carpet was they came to a widely unfancied Man U team that no-one gave much of a chance of pulling anything out and they delivered an absolute stinker of a performance. Even before Martinez's dreadful challenge they were very poor and only Man U's quite frankly incredible skill at failing to put chances away left them with any chance of being in the game. Now Emery can brush this aside due to this controversy. 

 

Still think very unfortunate though, really impressed by Emery and this Villa team, clearly just Europe took a toll and tiredness caught up at end of season with some poor ends to cup runs. Would have much rather Chelsea missed out, but obviously very glad it helped us. 

 

 

 

Aye - the mistake is hiding the fact that Villa had shat the bed up until that point.  

[Leemond]

Not heard a single cunt blame Martinez for his ridiculous sending off.

 

VAR didn't fuck Villa, he did.

[Dokko]

4 minutes ago, Leemond said:

Not heard a single cunt blame Martinez for his ridiculous sending off.

 

VAR didn't fuck Villa, he did.

 

Shit pass back was more to blame than him. Though very happy for him to take it.

[The College Dropout]

19 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Shit pass back was more to blame than him. Though very happy for him to take it.

Nah.  It was Hojlund, make him shoot.  Martinez didnt even try and go for the ball.  He could’ve just evaded him and Hojlund wouldn’t have been able to score. 
 

symptomatic of a side bottling it though both the back pass and the crazy decision. 

[WilliamPS]

Hojlunds touch was absolutely rank - took himself miles away from goal 

[Tiresias]

Yes was stupidest thing about it Martinez had time enough to get back to goal tbh hojlund was never improvising a shot from there 

[Superior Acuña]

9 hours ago, Vaj said:

It doesn't matter that he stands on his hand, every tackle has contact on a player as well, all that matters is that he got the ball first and it wasn't under control from the goalkeeper.

 

I love the fact that it was controversial, we got enough points over the course of the season to earn a CL spot and we can laugh at them for the injustice of that goal being disallowed. Win win and iI hope it sets them back a few years! 

 

Surely it does matter. Yes contact is allowed, I doubt standing on a keeper's hand is permitted. I doubt VAR would allow that if seen.

[LionOfGosforth]

34 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

Hojlunds touch was absolutely rank - took himself miles away from goal 

 

That bloke is utter toilet, wouldn't swap Osula for him

[Conjo]

7 hours ago, Superior Acuña said:

I wonder if Villa would consider it worth it if they end up winning the Europa - which they have a great chance of. A few years ago I'd have definitely taken a UEFA/Europa cup over CL qualification - without hesitation. But feel like the trophy has degraded so much, I'm not sure I would now. I'd consider it well below the League Cup these days given the opposition. But then you see Tottenham fans loved it. (Relatedly I'd have been gutted if we won something during Covid. When you wait a long time, might as well wait a bit longer to do it properly)

 

 

Genuinely curious - would you have felt the same way if we had won the Europa League and Tottenham had won the league cup against Man Utd this season?

[Superior Acuña]

7 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Genuinely curious - would you have felt the same way if we had won the Europa League and Tottenham had won the league cup against Man Utd this season?

 

I suppose I don't know really, but if we'd won the Europa I'm sure I'd have gotten carried along and enjoyed it a lot, but I had thought before that there'd be a tinge of regret if after all this time our first cup was the Europa Conference - a decidedly second rate trophy, abroad where fewer can attend. I think this year with the drop in standard in Europa (changes to format etc), I feel similar about the two of them. The way it did happen was so perfect and I think a much better experience.

 

Now that we've had that first win, I'd want us to win whatever we're in without reserve, collect them all. But think if someone told me we'd definitely win the Europa, or you can gamble on an outside chance at good run in the CL, I'd take the latter.  In 2004, however, while disappointed to miss out on the CL, I took it as a major silver lining that we had a shot at winning the UEFA Cup.

[TheBrownBottle]

8 hours ago, Superior Acuña said:

I wonder if Villa would consider it worth it if they end up winning the Europa - which they have a great chance of. A few years ago I'd have definitely taken a UEFA/Europa cup over CL qualification - without hesitation. But feel like the trophy has degraded so much, I'm not sure I would now. I'd consider it well below the League Cup these days given the opposition. But then you see Tottenham fans loved it. (Relatedly I'd have been gutted if we won something during Covid. When you wait a long time, might as well wait a bit longer to do it properly)

 

 

 

The UEFA Cup still sits levels above the League Cup for me.  Of the six trophies it’s possible to win, the League Cup is at the bottom of the pile