Jonás Gutiérrez

[Tiresias]

Should be used like Man U used Park Ji Sung a few years ago.

 

Play him against the top sides when we need an extra bit of work rate.

 

He's a passenger in games like today when we're the better side, can't be many wingers who've been so hopelessly ineffective in the final third.

 

This. His lack of penetration was embarassing against a team any decent winger would at least be getting regular balls into the box. I really rate Jonas for his work rate and defensive stuff, and winning us free kicks in good areas (to waste on free kicks to williamson none the less lol) but he's sub standard for attacking. in a middle 3 he is perfectly good.

[Disco]

Should be used like Man U used Park Ji Sung a few years ago.

 

Play him against the top sides when we need an extra bit of work rate.

 

He's a passenger in games like today when we're the better side, can't be many wingers who've been so hopelessly ineffective in the final third.

 

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[Parky]

Did a good job for Argentina at RB.

[Shak]

Did a good job for Argentina at RB.

 

No he didn't.

[SteveMc]

Was brilliant second half at everyone. Poor today but can still be very effective wide away from home.

[Shak]

Should be used like Man U used Park Ji Sung a few years ago.

 

Play him against the top sides when we need an extra bit of work rate.

 

He's a passenger in games like today when we're the better side, can't be many wingers who've been so hopelessly ineffective in the final third.

 

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/jun2012/0/1/newcastle-united-s-french-midfield-duo-gabriel-obertan-and-sylvain-marveaux-279035752.jpg

 

Obertan right and Ben Arfa left would be an improvement IMO.

 

Obertan at least offers some width.

[Dr Venkman]

Should be used like Man U used Park Ji Sung a few years ago.

 

Play him against the top sides when we need an extra bit of work rate.

 

He's a passenger in games like today when we're the better side, can't be many wingers who've been so hopelessly ineffective in the final third.

 

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/jun2012/0/1/newcastle-united-s-french-midfield-duo-gabriel-obertan-and-sylvain-marveaux-279035752.jpg

 

Obertan right and Ben Arfa left would be an improvement IMO.

 

Obertan at least offers some width.

 

You've gone too far there.

[Lush Vlad]

I seem to remember his performances picking up when we signed HBA and he got dropped to start with.

 

Might have been coincidental, but maybe he needs another kick up the arse? 

 

I've always said, in a lot of home games and a few aways, I wouldn't start him.  However against the big boys and for tough away trips, he's vital.

[toondra]

he 's got an important role for the team......in the way we are playing with no fluidity.

he is not a threat.

[Hughesy]

I am a big Jonas fan but he was poor on Saturday.  He seems to almost have completely given up any attempt to beat his man and is now playing pretty much as a defensive winger.

[Disco]

I am a big Jonas fan but he was poor on Saturday.  He seems to almost have completely given up any attempt to beat his man and is now playing pretty much as a defensive winger.

 

I think he's told too personally. It's a little thing but he doesn't join in the attacking play warm-ups they do pre-match, it's only Santon on his side.

 

I agree he is wasted as a winger in a 4-4-2 in games against 'lesser teams'

[Hughesy]

I am a big Jonas fan but he was poor on Saturday.  He seems to almost have completely given up any attempt to beat his man and is now playing pretty much as a defensive winger.

 

I think he's told too personally. It's a little thing but he doesn't join in the attacking play warm-ups they do pre-match, it's only Santon on his side.

 

I agree he is wasted as a winger in a 4-4-2 in games against 'lesser teams'

You are possibly right there.  It is frustrating to see him either turn back or wait for the Santon overlap - he still has the ability to beat a man I think.

[Lush Vlad]

I am a big Jonas fan but he was poor on Saturday.  He seems to almost have completely given up any attempt to beat his man and is now playing pretty much as a defensive winger.

 

I think he's told too personally. It's a little thing but he doesn't join in the attacking play warm-ups they do pre-match, it's only Santon on his side.

 

I agree he is wasted as a winger in a 4-4-2 in games against 'lesser teams'

You are possibly right there.  It is frustrating to see him either turn back or wait for the Santon overlap - he still has the ability to beat a man I think.

 

Sadly, I don't.  He's lost a yard and has become very predictable.  Always holds on to it for too long in congested areas, after trying to beat a man or two.  Then just looks and hopes for a foul.  Other teams know his crossing is dreadful, so they just show him the line and then sod all happens.

[Kanj]

I've always thought there were times he just played brilliantly for us. I thought his Spurs performance was top notch. But if I am honest, he needs a sitting. I'd even consider playing Anita there or even wide just for the fact that he has a decent cross, can cover defensively and has some excellent pace - if we were to do 4 man midfield or 3 man midfield in an out of a match, Anita seems to have the stamina to get up and down the pitch very well.

[biggs]

Wondering if he was a miss from the team last night and if we are better without him in the starting line up ?

[Elliottman]

He will play on Sunday.

[nufc4eva]

Wondering if he was a miss from the team last night and if we are better without him in the starting line up ?

 

What he adds defensively can't be underrated but thats not what you want if he plays on the wing, we were more creative last night on the left than for some time, would consider starting Ferguson and Santon on left against Manchester. We know Pards will go 4-4-2 so may as well have Ben Arfa and Ferguson on each wing.

[biggs]

Wondering if he was a miss from the team last night and if we are better without him in the starting line up ?

 

What he adds defensively can't be underrated but thats not what you want if he plays on the wing, we were more creative last night on the left than for some time, would consider starting Ferguson and Santon on left against Manchester. We know Pards will go 4-4-2 so may as well have Ben Arfa and Ferguson on each wing.

Thanks for the feedback but gut feeling says Pards will play him from the start

[TRon]

Wondering if he was a miss from the team last night and if we are better without him in the starting line up ?

 

We definitely played better without him yesterday. I've always been a big fan, but he's not been offering much width recently, maybe due to a change in role, but Obertan gave us a decent outlet wide left yesterday. Still unsure who should start Sunday, but it's getting to the stage we are going to want more from our wide players. Effort is great but quality has been missing for too many games this season.

[Belfast Boy]

To be fair to Jonas he has been stuck out left in the 442 so far this season. He showed at the end of the last season what he offers in the 433 and I would put him back there ahead of Anita for now. I just hope we stick with that system.

[sugoinufc]

really like jonas...but im starting to see what he is missing.

 

if he is to have a future here then it is in a 3 man midfield like we played yesterday. But if we starting playing that formation then i think he can become really useful and challenge for a start. use him proper in cm and we will still have a good player. doesnt work for him at LW any more....especially not in a 4-3-3.

 

 

[Skeletor]

Enrique used to make up for a lot of his short comings but without someone who can whip balls in overlapping him he's a bit useless as a winger. We will need him against Man Utd though.

[Ronaldo]

really like jonas...but im starting to see what he is missing.

 

if he is to have a future here then it is in a 3 man midfield like we played yesterday. But if we starting playing that formation then i think he can become really useful and challenge for a start. use him proper in cm and we will still have a good player. doesnt work for him at LW any more....especially not in a 4-3-3.

 

 

 

Anita, Cabaye and Tiote are all far better players. Don't see where he fits in a 4-3-3.

[buzza]

really like jonas...but im starting to see what he is missing.

 

if he is to have a future here then it is in a 3 man midfield like we played yesterday. But if we starting playing that formation then i think he can become really useful and challenge for a start. use him proper in cm and we will still have a good player. doesnt work for him at LW any more....especially not in a 4-3-3.

 

 

 

Anita, Cabaye and Tiote are all far better players. Don't see where he fits in a 4-3-3.

 

Anita hasn't shown enough to be considered above Jonas. In a 433 or if Jonas is in central midfield his workrate and ability to hold the ball up in tight spots and not lose it and his capability to start off attacking play is really underated here. played in the right place he is still a major asset for us, I just don't think he is right for the left winger spot any more...

[TRon]

It's quite simple really. While we were a team that was struggling to stay in the premier league, Jonas was one of our better players, especially since he was one of our few players with pace in the squad in the past few years. There have always been criticisms of his lack of end product, but at the time we had no better alternatives so it was pointless carping as we had other areas which needed strengthening first.

 

I think we've moved on enough now that unless he's playing well week in, week out there should be no guaranteed starting place. Ben Arfa is the one who should start, let Jonas fight it out with Obertan and Marveaux for the other wide spot. Ba can also go wide let's not forget.