Guest neesy111 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Don't even know why he said Carroll is not fit today. We should of just said that after we announced our team to make it uncertain to SAFC about who we we're going to play etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Don't even know why he said Carroll is not fit today. We should of just said that after we announced our team to make it uncertain to SAFC about who we we're going to play etc. That would give them a big boost just before kick off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 2) essentially lying about Carroll having a chance of playing. Where/when? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Was almost prepared to give the bloke a chance but two things he has done this week have left me fuming: 1) bringing on tiote needlessly 2) essentially lying about Carroll having a chance of playing. Today he has admitted that Andy is "not even close" and that it is only fair to the people of Newcastle to let them know that now. No Alan what would have been fair was just to have told everyone straight that he wasn't going to be fit. It sounds very much to be we will see him at Fulham at the earliest. Part of my anger is probably a kneejerk reaction at the news Andy will miss the derby but I need someone to blame and Pardew it is. The bloke chats a load of s%*£, needs to learn to say less. Not for the first time this week my blood is boiling and I can't wait to see the back of the bloke Tiresome tosh. The club sent Carroll to Dubai hoping that some R&R would aid a quick recovery. He's come back, been assessed and been ruled out. Until he came back on Tues/ Weds there was always a chance he would be fit. There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I'm all for Pardew getting criticised for last weekend's shambles and if he loses on Sunday, but this hand wringing over his quips to the press is silly. NUFC are a club where the fans are constantly wanting news and as such the press buzz round the manager on a regular basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Not sure where to put this tbh http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9361982.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Was almost prepared to give the bloke a chance but two things he has done this week have left me fuming: 1) bringing on tiote needlessly 2) essentially lying about Carroll having a chance of playing. Today he has admitted that Andy is "not even close" and that it is only fair to the people of Newcastle to let them know that now. No Alan what would have been fair was just to have told everyone straight that he wasn't going to be fit. It sounds very much to be we will see him at Fulham at the earliest. Part of my anger is probably a kneejerk reaction at the news Andy will miss the derby but I need someone to blame and Pardew it is. The bloke chats a load of s%*£, needs to learn to say less. Not for the first time this week my blood is boiling and I can't wait to see the back of the bloke Tiresome tosh. The club sent Carroll to Dubai hoping that some R&R would aid a quick recovery. He's come back, been assessed and been ruled out. Until he came back on Tues/ Weds there was always a chance he would be fit. There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I'm all for Pardew getting criticised for last weekend's shambles and if he loses on Sunday, but this hand wringing over his quips to the press is silly. NUFC are a club where the fans are constantly wanting news and as such the press buzz round the manager on a regular basis. Still trying to put out all these fires I see. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 If he gets Enrique and Barton to extend until 2014-15 he will go a long way to winning me over. With Taylor, Tiote, Carroll already on long term contracts, add those two to the list and the futures bright, the futures black and white Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Was almost prepared to give the bloke a chance but two things he has done this week have left me fuming: 1) bringing on tiote needlessly 2) essentially lying about Carroll having a chance of playing. Today he has admitted that Andy is "not even close" and that it is only fair to the people of Newcastle to let them know that now. No Alan what would have been fair was just to have told everyone straight that he wasn't going to be fit. It sounds very much to be we will see him at Fulham at the earliest. Part of my anger is probably a kneejerk reaction at the news Andy will miss the derby but I need someone to blame and Pardew it is. The bloke chats a load of s%*£, needs to learn to say less. Not for the first time this week my blood is boiling and I can't wait to see the back of the bloke Tiresome tosh. The club sent Carroll to Dubai hoping that some R&R would aid a quick recovery. He's come back, been assessed and been ruled out. Until he came back on Tues/ Weds there was always a chance he would be fit. There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I'm all for Pardew getting criticised for last weekend's shambles and if he loses on Sunday, but this hand wringing over his quips to the press is silly. NUFC are a club where the fans are constantly wanting news and as such the press buzz round the manager on a regular basis. Personally I can't see how the medical staff would not have known that he wouldn't be fit, given that there is seemingly only an outside chance of him being fit for the spurs and it a very distinct possiblilty that he will be given a further 10 days to recover and thus make his comeback at Fulham. It has been made out (granted a lot of this may be down to the media) that he was touch and go or 50/50 for the derby, however, from Pardew it's gone from "fingers crossed" he will be fit to the facthe isn't "even close", therefore to me we have been mislead. I can't say this is fact, it is just my opinion but at the same time you can't say for a fact that there was always a chance he could play therefore to dismiss it as tiresome tosh is just disrepsectful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I think one of the things to be said is that most people wouldn't give a shit either way if otherwise he was a decent manager. If in the long term he does well this will be forgotten about, but in the mean time there's about as much reason to be sceptical about him as there was Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and Kinnear. So unless he talks well, and he really doesn't talk well, then he should keep quiet. As it is, it isn't just the sound of his voice on me that I'm concerned about but its effect on the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Was almost prepared to give the bloke a chance but two things he has done this week have left me fuming: 1) bringing on tiote needlessly 2) essentially lying about Carroll having a chance of playing. Today he has admitted that Andy is "not even close" and that it is only fair to the people of Newcastle to let them know that now. No Alan what would have been fair was just to have told everyone straight that he wasn't going to be fit. It sounds very much to be we will see him at Fulham at the earliest. Part of my anger is probably a kneejerk reaction at the news Andy will miss the derby but I need someone to blame and Pardew it is. The bloke chats a load of s%*£, needs to learn to say less. Not for the first time this week my blood is boiling and I can't wait to see the back of the bloke Tiresome tosh. The club sent Carroll to Dubai hoping that some R&R would aid a quick recovery. He's come back, been assessed and been ruled out. Until he came back on Tues/ Weds there was always a chance he would be fit. There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I'm all for Pardew getting criticised for last weekend's shambles and if he loses on Sunday, but this hand wringing over his quips to the press is silly. NUFC are a club where the fans are constantly wanting news and as such the press buzz round the manager on a regular basis. Personally I can't see how the medical staff would not have known that he wouldn't be fit, given that there is seemingly only an outside chance of him being fit for the spurs and it a very distinct possiblilty that he will be given a further 10 days to recover and thus make his comeback at Fulham. It has been made out (granted a lot of this may be down to the media) that he was touch and go or 50/50 for the derby, however, from Pardew it's gone from "fingers crossed" he will be fit to the facthe isn't "even close", therefore to me we have been mislead. I can't say this is fact, it is just my opinion but at the same time you can't say for a fact that there was always a chance he could play therefore to dismiss it as tiresome tosh is just disrepsectful. you can never really be sure on injuries and the club did the right thing in hoping a bit of sun and relaxation for ac9 in dubai would help but sadly it didn't, shit happens nowt you can really do. as for pardew, all he said was hopeful never said certain to be playing and nowt wrong with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I think one of the things to be said is that most people wouldn't give a shit either way if otherwise he was a decent manager. If in the long term he does well this will be forgotten about, but in the mean time there's about as much reason to be sceptical about him as there was Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and Kinnear. So unless he talks well, and he really doesn't talk well, then he should keep quiet. As it is, it isn't just the sound of his voice on me that I'm concerned about but its effect on the players. Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Pardew is just trying to talk his way in to a relationship with the fans. It's just like bedding a woman, say what they want to hear and pretend to listen when they speak. He's got it down to an art form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Pardew is just trying to talk his way in to a relationship with the fans. It's just like bedding a woman, say what they want to hear and pretend to listen when they speak. He's got it down to an art form. This thread suggests not Unless he's playing the game where you upset as many as you can so you can flush out the one that wants to defends you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Pardew is just trying to talk his way in to a relationship with the fans. It's just like bedding a woman, say what they want to hear and pretend to listen when they speak. He's got it down to an art form. Except all the smart ones know he's got chlamydia and he's wasting his breath. He may reel in a few daft slappers but they'll only regret it in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I really didnt want to hear this come out of Pardews mouth Shola has played brilliantly since I have been here, and I am a big admirer of his Taken from HERE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Don't even know why he said Carroll is not fit today. We should of just said that after we announced our team to make it uncertain to SAFC about who we we're going to play etc. That would give them a big boost just before kick off. Exactly, let them get excited 2 days before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I really didnt want to hear this come out of Pardews mouth Shola has played brilliantly since I have been here, and I am a big admirer of his Taken from HERE Reminds me of the comments used to say about The Fenham Pele. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 sholas played 2 games hasn't he for pardew hasn't he......... still just obvious bigging up player, par for the course among managers really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I really didnt want to hear this come out of Pardews mouth Shola has played brilliantly since I have been here, and I am a big admirer of his Taken from HERE He's said nowt wrong there tbf. It's his job to get them motivated and Shola needs to be motivated more than most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Was almost prepared to give the bloke a chance but two things he has done this week have left me fuming: 1) bringing on tiote needlessly 2) essentially lying about Carroll having a chance of playing. Today he has admitted that Andy is "not even close" and that it is only fair to the people of Newcastle to let them know that now. No Alan what would have been fair was just to have told everyone straight that he wasn't going to be fit. It sounds very much to be we will see him at Fulham at the earliest. Part of my anger is probably a kneejerk reaction at the news Andy will miss the derby but I need someone to blame and Pardew it is. The bloke chats a load of s%*£, needs to learn to say less. Not for the first time this week my blood is boiling and I can't wait to see the back of the bloke Tiresome tosh. The club sent Carroll to Dubai hoping that some R&R would aid a quick recovery. He's come back, been assessed and been ruled out. Until he came back on Tues/ Weds there was always a chance he would be fit. There's a lot of talk about Pardew being too talkative. I think nearly all of our managers have been keen to give the press a regular comment, certainly Keegan and Robson did. The only real exception was Hughton who kept his counsel and generally came out with very bland comments that many people on here criticised or complained about- especially his blatant dodging of transfer talk. I'm all for Pardew getting criticised for last weekend's shambles and if he loses on Sunday, but this hand wringing over his quips to the press is silly. NUFC are a club where the fans are constantly wanting news and as such the press buzz round the manager on a regular basis. Why does carroll need to go to Dubai for and tbh if he had any chance of being fit for the Scum game he would never have travelled there in the first place but tried to get him fit so in reality why not at the start of the week say Andys in Dubai cos he is not available for the weekend due to injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I really didnt want to hear this come out of Pardews mouth Shola has played brilliantly since I have been here, and I am a big admirer of his Taken from HERE Of course it would be far better to say that Shola is fairly shyte but he's all we've got so he's playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I'm not gonna argue on the value of Tiote because that is subjective, to each his own. My point was that he is more just than a DM, so putting him on does not mean we were becoming more defensive. You are right majority of our players underperformed against Stevenage, I don't know the reason for that, could be a combination of fatigue, attittude, Barton on the left, Tioteless midifeld and it's hard to predict whether we would have fared any better had Tiote not been sent off. Part of the problem at least is that our entire midfield was being bypassed and overan by the high tempo game that Stevenage played. So whilst I disagree with the decision to bring Tiote on, I can understand why Pardew did it. What is the alternative? If as you said, bringing Tiote on wasn't gonna change things, then what do you expect Pardew to do? Just stand around and not even try to change things? That would be straight from Hughton's manual of management wouldn't it, perhaps you would prefer that? Well I don't, when things go wrong (as they inevitably will sometimes), I want the manager to take charge and try to change things around instead of just looking handsome in a coat on the sideline doing nothing. Regarding the 10 points deduction, I think you were trying to paint Pardew in a very negative light when you ommitted that nugget of fact and stated "Pardew had the highest budget in the division and his target was to reach a play-off position and he failed". Now you claim that you thought everyone knew that already . If you were interested in an objective assessment, you would have mentioned it outright in your first statement and not wait for Greg and Neesy to point it out to you. Are you a qualified mind reader or is it just a hobby? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Rather worried about his comments re: the Carroll situation. I can't remember, but wasn't he making comments about Carroll possibly playing earlier in the week/last week? And then suddenly he says today that he's not ready and is "a long way from being ready". How can he go from being in contention, to being nowhere near ready in a week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Rather worried about his comments re: the Carroll situation. I can't remember, but wasn't he making comments about Carroll possibly playing earlier in the week/last week? And then suddenly he says today that he's not ready and is "a long way from being ready". How can he go from being in contention, to being nowhere near ready in a week? let's be kind and say he was playing mind games - and not desperately trying to get a half-fit Carroll on the pitch to save his skin Souness-style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I really didnt want to hear this come out of Pardews mouth Shola has played brilliantly since I have been here, and I am a big admirer of his Taken from HERE So if he bigs up a player like Shola to try and motivate him, he's wrong If he criticize players who don't perform like Ranger and Krul, he's wrong too So what should he do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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