Dave Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Tender his resignation with immediate effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I'm not gonna argue on the value of Tiote because that is subjective, to each his own. My point was that he is more just than a DM, so putting him on does not mean we were becoming more defensive. You are right majority of our players underperformed against Stevenage, I don't know the reason for that, could be a combination of fatigue, attittude, Barton on the left, Tioteless midifeld and it's hard to predict whether we would have fared any better had Tiote not been sent off. Part of the problem at least is that our entire midfield was being bypassed and overan by the high tempo game that Stevenage played. So whilst I disagree with the decision to bring Tiote on, I can understand why Pardew did it. What is the alternative? If as you said, bringing Tiote on wasn't gonna change things, then what do you expect Pardew to do? Just stand around and not even try to change things? That would be straight from Hughton's manual of management wouldn't it, perhaps you would prefer that? Well I don't, when things go wrong (as they inevitably will sometimes), I want the manager to take charge and try to change things around instead of just looking handsome in a coat on the sideline doing nothing. Regarding the 10 points deduction, I think you were trying to paint Pardew in a very negative light when you ommitted that nugget of fact and stated "Pardew had the highest budget in the division and his target was to reach a play-off position and he failed". Now you claim that you thought everyone knew that already . If you were interested in an objective assessment, you would have mentioned it outright in your first statement and not wait for Greg and Neesy to point it out to you. Are you a qualified mind reader or is it just a hobby? I have this canny ability to infer intelligently based on what is and what is not written, thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Tender his resignation with immediate effect. I'm sure you'd love that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 My general opinion on the man is that he's a bit of a dick who doesn't have the talent as a manager to justify his shitty character. Average manager and a poor character who is not the long-term solution to the club. Which makes the fact he is seen as the long-term, stable investment even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Rather worried about his comments re: the Carroll situation. I can't remember, but wasn't he making comments about Carroll possibly playing earlier in the week/last week? And then suddenly he says today that he's not ready and is "a long way from being ready". How can he go from being in contention, to being nowhere near ready in a week? i doubt you're worried about his comments, more so you don't like him and will find any reason to attack him even if it's stuff you'd have defended hughton for. it's the distinct impression i get from many on here. carroll was never going to play for reasons i posted much earlier. he kept up the pretence as long as possible but the cat gets out the bag a lot easier in this sort of situation than when the players are holed up in a hotel for an away game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 My general opinion on the man is that he's a bit of a dick who doesn't have the talent as a manager to justify his shitty character. Average manager and a poor character who is not the long-term solution to the club. Which makes the fact he is seen as the long-term, stable investment even worse. i agree with most of that however he's getting slated for stuff that would have been defended in others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 My general opinion on the man is that he's a bit of a dick who doesn't have the talent as a manager to justify his shitty character. Average manager and a poor character who is not the long-term solution to the club. Which makes the fact he is seen as the long-term, stable investment even worse. i agree with most of that however he's getting slated for stuff that would have been defended in others. True. There is inconsistancies with regards to criticism. The same thing happens with certain players who are deemed as fan's favourites (I'll happily admit I've probably done this in the past) I just think he's a bit shit. Atleast with Hughton I identified him with the team on the pitch, with Pardew I barely even acknowledge mentally that he's manager of the team. Up to him to change this over time I guess (sigh). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 i doubt you're worried about his comments, more so you don't like him and will find any reason to attack him even if it's stuff you'd have defended hughton for. Sorry madras, but you've got this one completely wrong Go back a page or two, read what I've said and then tell me that I'm attacking him because I don't like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 At this point any criticism of Pardew must be either based on a couple of things he's said, or based on hypothetical failure in the future - because while he's been here he's done virtually nothing wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Will save you the trouble: Quite a few of the criticisms levied at Pardew, when they levied at Hughton, those same people were defending him. I know because I was doing the criticising (for example, see Colocho's comments about "we're only 6 points off the relegation zone. Things aren't going that great" - when I said that about Hughton, I thought I was going to get my eyes torn out) I also had a go at Hughton when he made a mistake, that’s life. The thing with Hughton was that he didn't have the flaws that were seeing from Pardew. I do not believe for one minute that we would have seen the display against Stevenage under Hughton and we wouldn’t be going into the mackem game thread bare. I have no doubt at all that we wouldn’t be going into the mackem game without Tiote if Hughton was still here. My point is, Hughton makes a mistake and the majority stick up him. Pardew makes the same mistake and he gets criticised. For what it's worth, I'm not defending him here, just playing devils advocate. I think he's at utter c*** and should learn to keep his mouth shut, the Stevenage performance was absolutely disgusting but I won't criticise his results overall because he's won 3 of the 4 of the games I'd have expected us to win - he's not doing a bad job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I have this canny ability to infer intelligently based on what is and what is not written, thank you You've got the canny ability to be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Rather worried about his comments re: the Carroll situation. I can't remember, but wasn't he making comments about Carroll possibly playing earlier in the week/last week? And then suddenly he says today that he's not ready and is "a long way from being ready". How can he go from being in contention, to being nowhere near ready in a week? Exactly, which is why I have made the assumption, rightly or wrongly, that Carroll was never going to be fit; in which case we shouldn't have been told that he was in contention. I know he never said that he was going to play but the way it was spun made it sound as if he would probably end up playing, although I accept that the media had a role to play in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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quayside Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Will save you the trouble: Quite a few of the criticisms levied at Pardew, when they levied at Hughton, those same people were defending him. I know because I was doing the criticising (for example, see Colocho's comments about "we're only 6 points off the relegation zone. Things aren't going that great" - when I said that about Hughton, I thought I was going to get my eyes torn out) I also had a go at Hughton when he made a mistake, that’s life. The thing with Hughton was that he didn't have the flaws that were seeing from Pardew. I do not believe for one minute that we would have seen the display against Stevenage under Hughton and we wouldn’t be going into the mackem game thread bare. I have no doubt at all that we wouldn’t be going into the mackem game without Tiote if Hughton was still here. My point is, Hughton makes a mistake and the majority stick up him. Pardew makes the same mistake and he gets criticised. For what it's worth, I'm not defending him here, just playing devils advocate. I think he's at utter c*** and should learn to keep his mouth shut, the Stevenage performance was absolutely disgusting but I won't criticise his results overall because he's won 3 of the 4 of the games I'd have expected us to win - he's not doing a bad job. As it stands I agree with a lot of that - but the bit I really disagree with is that the majority stuck up for Hughton when he made mistakes. Don't think they did at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 "The most important players are the ones that are doing well for us right now. That's been my focus. We've obviously secured Steven Taylor long-term, Joey's got 18 months to go on his contract, and we want to look at both him and José." Pardew, guardian Good news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 "The most important players are the ones that are doing well for us right now. That's been my focus. We've obviously secured Steven Taylor long-term, Joey's got 18 months to go on his contract, and we want to look at both him and José." Pardew, guardian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 i doubt you're worried about his comments, more so you don't like him and will find any reason to attack him even if it's stuff you'd have defended hughton for. Sorry madras, but you've got this one completely wrong Go back a page or two, read what I've said and then tell me that I'm attacking him because I don't like him. Yup I'll vouch that Jonny has been quite objective in this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I have this canny ability to infer intelligently based on what is and what is not written, thank you You've got the canny ability to be wrong. You're right, I was wrong bout you coz at one point I thought you were a decent poster who was always objective. Anyway I take it that you're not gonna debate the earlier point on Tiote. Ok I'm out of this thread then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Win tomorrow and I think he's bought himself a free pass through to the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 No doubt about that. That'd be 4 wins from 6 tough league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 love the title of this thread, love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Win tomorrow and I think he's bought himself a free pass through to the summer. Whilst I agree with that, I hope all hell does not break loose if we lose tomorrow. It's gonna be hard to even get a draw without Carrol and Tiote (though Pardew only has himself to blame for not being able to play the latter) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 love the title of this thread, love it Aye, it's a stroke of genius, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Win tomorrow and I think he's bought himself a free pass through to the summer. The only thing which will buy him a pass until summer is if he makes good decisions on a game to game basis. He had done quite well until the Stevenage fiasco. For me the jury's out until I've seen something a bit more convincing. The only thing the results so far have proved is you can't make a snap judgement based on a few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Win tomorrow and I think he's bought himself a free pass through to the summer. The only thing which will buy him a pass until summer is if he makes good decisions on a game to game basis. He had done quite well until the Stevenage fiasco. For me the jury's out until I've seen something a bit more convincing. The only thing the results so far have proved is you can't make a snap judgement based on a few games. the only thing that will give him a free pass is if he in one years time has done a great job. I´m not that worried about this season, it´s the next. the summer will show us what his NUFC career is really about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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