Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Pardew hasn't got/had Shearer, Bellamy, or even an Owen, Martins or Kluivert. Having Owen, Martins or Kluivert would have made what difference? Owen scored 26 league goals in 4 seasons, Kluivert scored 6 in 25 league games and Martins scored 28 in 3 seasons. Best will have a better record that any of those I would have thought in the Premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Pardew hasn't got/had Shearer, Bellamy, or even an Owen, Martins or Kluivert. Having Owen, Martins or Kluivert would have made what difference? Owen scored 26 league goals in 4 seasons, Kluivert scored 6 in 25 league games and Martins scored 28 in 3 seasons. Best will have a better record that any of those I would have thought in the Premiership. They're far, far better players though, else why we worrying about buying a striker when we've got Best & Ba with their goal records? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Pardew hasn't got/had Shearer, Bellamy, or even an Owen, Martins or Kluivert. Having Owen, Martins or Kluivert would have made what difference? Owen scored 26 league goals in 4 seasons, Kluivert scored 6 in 25 league games and Martins scored 28 in 3 seasons. Best will have a better record that any of those I would have thought in the Premiership. They're far, far better players though, else why we worrying about buying a striker when we've got Best & Ba with their goal records? A coherent plan on how to use players to their strengths would probably help. Picking a full back because he's scored from two set pieces rather than how he can influence a game against certain opponents would be a prime example of a thick manager in my view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 They're far, far better players though, else why we worrying about buying a striker when we've got Best & Ba with their goal records? I can only guess that we were trying to bring in another forward because we thought he might get more goals than those we already have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 lee_ryder Lee Ryder #nufc Pardew indicated he won't be having a look at the free agent list tonight, worrying where the goals are going to come from 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 lee_ryder Lee Ryder #nufc Pardew indicated he won't be having a look at the free agent list tonight, worrying where the goals are going to come from 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply No such thing as a free agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 lee_ryder Lee Ryder #nufc Pardew indicated he won't be having a look at the free agent list tonight, worrying where the goals are going to come from 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Eh? Ryder's mental if he thinks there are any goals to be found on the free agent list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I just wish I could see some semblance of a game plan or tactics. He doesn't seem to know his best formation or his best team or how they should be playing. We've been dominated in four games out of five, including by a League One side, and we look as unlikely to score goals as we have in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I think that's a bit harsh. I'm not too happy about how we've played but we were the better side against Sunderland and Fulham, I'd also expect to be dominated by Arsenal. Don't get me wrong, we should be looking to take the intiative at home but there's no shame in being outplayed by a side that will most likely finish in the top four. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I just wish I could see some semblance of a game plan or tactics. He doesn't seem to know his best formation or his best team or how they should be playing. We've been dominated in four games out of five, including by a League One side, and we look as unlikely to score goals as we have in years. just hoping he has a plan for whenmarveaux and ben arfa come back properly. he's not going to play them wide in a 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Better side against the mackems? Really? Fulham was the odd one out but even then, while we deserved the win, if Krul hadn't been on top form we could still have ended up with nowt. I think it's frightening how little we've managed to create in these five games against poor sides, Arsenal excepted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I think that's a bit harsh. I'm not too happy about how we've played but we were the better side against Sunderland and Fulham, I'd also expect to be dominated by Arsenal. Don't get me wrong, we should be looking to take the intiative at home but there's no shame in being outplayed by a side that will most likely finish in the top four. we were not better vs mackems, we only started playing after we scored. before that they could have easily had more than a hatful. vs fulham we were marginally better overall, first half fulham outplayed us clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Agree with your last point, we look ridiculously disjointed going forward. First twenty minutes the mackems were all over us, following the hand ball inicdent we looked the better side for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I fucking hate it how we've replaced Barton with Obertan man, the more I think of it the more it does my head in. One of the better midfielders in the country last season replaced by some nobody that everyone had forgotten about, it's just fucking mind-blowing. Fair enough if you've really scouted Obertan and you've came to the conclusion that you believe in him - OK, so you keep both players to fight for the place, but plucking this fucker from Man Utd's reserves and expecting everything to work out is beyond optimistic. The squad just looks worse imo. Technique-wise it's comparable or possibly better, but in all practicality will probably end up proving worse. Especially since we're playing hoofball, it defeats the idea of replacing Nolan with Cabaye, or Barton with Obertan. If we get Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Gosling and Ba into the position of being serious first team players then we might be on to something, but that's a big 'if'. I don't know why I'm even putting this in the Pardew thread tbh, I doubt the poor fucker's got anything to do with how his squad's turned out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRon Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I fucking hate it how we've replaced Barton with Obertan man, the more I think of it the more it does my head in. One of the better midfielders in the country last season replaced by some nobody that everyone had forgotten about, it's just fucking mind-blowing. Fair enough if you've really scouted Obertan and you've came to the conclusion that you believe in him - OK, so you keep both players to fight for the place, but plucking this fucker from Man Utd's reserves and expecting everything to work out is beyond optimistic. The squad just looks worse imo. Technique-wise it's comparable or possibly better, but in all practicality will probably end up proving worse. Especially since we're playing hoofball, it defeats the idea of replacing Nolan with Cabaye, or Barton with Obertan. If we get Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Gosling and Ba into the position of being serious first team players then we might be on to something, but that's a big 'if'. I don't know why I'm even putting this in the Pardew thread tbh, I doubt the poor fucker's got anything to do with how his squad's turned out. This is why I hate Pardew even more. Obertan did alright, but Pardew's long ball tactics made us look far worse than we were. Barton and SWP weren't suddenly overnight sensations, Pardew's hoofball tactics were exposed for the 5th game in a row. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hilarious that he said having Carroll made us too direct. He thinks we're all bloody daft. Anton Ferdinand's never had an easier game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 It doesn't matter how technically proficient your midfield is - and I suspect ours is quite good in that regard - if all you do is set up to lump the ball to immobile forwards. We set up to grind out a 0-0 today and so we did, but that's betraying a stunning lack of ambition and huge amount of fear, especially when facing a side that's not exactly Manchester City. Obertan and Cabaye are never going to look better than average when they play in this tactical setup. We move the ball so slowly and predictably we inevitably end up with three defenders around any player with the ball, they panic, give it away, and we're on the back foot again. Cabaye's passing demands movement off the ball - and Obertan needs to be able to use his pace. It's frustrating to watch them not be given a chance to succeed in a match like the one we just saw. Still, 8 points, no losses, etc. Not all bad. Could be so much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Absolutely, you can't argue with the points tally or the unbeaten record, it's excellent, but if we keep playing like this, it will very quickly go sour. Allardyce's early points total was the best start in years too but we all knew something wasn't right when he played for a draw at Pride Park. Pardew did that tonight and it was cowardly imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We've matched the start made for points under Allardyce after four games. His next game was the Derby debacle when it started to unravel. If we follow this up with a draw at Villa and a home win against Blackburn things are still looking very bright. The next game is very important as a marker though, because as you mention Wullie it's not nice to see us time wasting against a newly-promoted team as if they were Man Utd. Villa are an established team who have been in a bit of flux themselves and will be a good test of where we're at. I can't see it being at all pretty again, unfortunately. However, as Shearer always used to say when we were a good side under Bobby, "you're doing alright if you're winning your home games and drawing your away games". To be doing the equivalent of that is above and beyond my expectations for this season, quite frankly, but the fixture generator has been relatively kind until November. If we can get to that time having taken 4 points from every 2 games (or somewhere close) we'll be fucking set. I would love to see us play a bit of football on the way though. Tonight was tough to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The timewasting was arguably the worst thing. Krul was at it almost as soon as the second half started. Very depressing to see us resort to that under the circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Aye, I was getting very wound-up by it. We did the same against Arsenal when they were down to ten men, which I found even more frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We're definitely riding our luck at the moment and the pointers are to a long season, not to an improvement on last year. We're creating little and people won't keep missing point blank headers against us. The hopeful side of the coin sees the injured or off the pace lads like Tiote, Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Ba etc making an sustained impact. The terrified side of the coin sees an injury to Colo. Even just a straight red before three of the easier games we would be a big loss. I hope the 4-4-2 and hoofing it long is just a stop-gap from Pardew, because we'll get nowhere with it. That should be fecking obvious from the lack of a knock-down collector for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The Obertan replacing Barton is the biggest mistake, bigger than Carroll not being replaced IMO. Completely messed our balance up. We have Ba and Best upfront, but we have fuck all on the right. People saying Marveaux can play there is wishful thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I said all this shit about Pardew in the mackems game thread, he's starting to look clueless to me. What's the point in re-euro-vamping your squad and then playing the same system as last year without the 3 players that made it work? There's more in this squad of players than we're being allowed to see atm imo Sadly it's starting to look like Pardew may not have any flexibility about him, or maybe he's just overly cautious away from home. Next home game will hopefully answer some questions. I'll keep saying it til it stops happening mind, if he keeps starting Shola we'll end up in trouble and so will he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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