Zero Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Oh yea you're right then from now on let's start a Ashley-lovers club Why didn't you come out and support Ashley before then? Or you just start to think in this way after the unbeaten run in order to "prove" Pardew is a shit manager? Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Learn to read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Think Pip's main points may be very close to accurate. On the off chance they are completely accurate let's just be thankful everything is the way it is for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest exilim Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Or maybe we should credit Derek Llambias as well - don't see him mentioned anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I think if Pardew is not due any credit, then when the team fails then he shouldn't shoulder the blame. Surely it will be the players fault and that of the people making the transfer decisions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Jesus Wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 There is some mental shit being said in here tonight. Pardew doesnt choose the players, he is forced to try and play good football by Dekka and Mike, he sits in front of a camera however thats easy anyway. Basically, we dont need a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest exilim Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 You just need to follow Ashley's instruction and play the players who were picked for you in their respective positions. Cash in your bank *cha ching* This qualifies for "The Best Job In the World". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 There is some mental shit being said in here tonight. Pardew doesnt choose the players, he is forced to try and play good football by Dekka and Mike, he sits in front of a camera however thats easy anyway. Basically, we dont need a manager. I know, it's fucking insane. His results are astonishing when we consider the limitations he's been forced to deal with. I especially like his positivity. His intentions are to win, even when playing away against Villa, an opponent we've lost against the four previous matches. Such bold and positive statements rubs off on the players. They go out believing that it's possible to get a good result. The difference between such an attitude and telling the players to lie deep and get a draw, could be huge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I think if Pardew is not due any credit, then when the team fails then he shouldn't shoulder the blame. Surely it will be the players fault and that of the people making the transfer decisions? If he picks the best team and it fails then it won't be his fault. But if he starts Taylor over Santon and insists on sending Shola on as a sub every game then he's negatively impacting the team. Let's be honest: we have a small squad. It isn't hard to pick the strongest eleven. In every pre-match thread on here, you can find a pretty consistent best eleven side that most fans agree on. And yes, real life football ain't FM, but it also ain't theoretical physics. We see every minute of every match, so don't underestimate the wisdom of an enlightened crowd. If Ben Arfa creates a billion good chances per game but our strikers don't score, do you think any reasonable fan will be blaming Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 And I never said he isn't due any credit, by the way. He just isn't due as much credit as he's been given. We're undefeated so everyone's feeling good and praise is being dished out to all and sundry but Pardew's not as responsible for this good start as some think, in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He's got the players playing for him That's all the endorsement he needs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 The season so far, on the pitch anyway, has been one long Pardy. May it continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Excellent start to the season. I'm still not all that confident in our squad and think after a few defeats in a row we could struggle. Over the moon thus far though. He seems to be more and more likeable at the moment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I feel like pardying... IN FACT I FEEL LIKE PARDYING RIGHT NOW..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Its very easy for some to take something for granted when its going well basically Hes done a solid job & i feel we've been quite lucky with both his and Hughtons outlook on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magpie99 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The hierachy at the club are obviously allocating duties down through a chain of command. Each and every part of the management team has their individual roles which ultimately combine to form a plan for the onfield stature of the club. For example, Ashley and his cohorts decide to bring in young, cheap, foreign players, no loanees and players who can progress or be moved on at a profit. Carr is given this portfolio to work too and provide a list of recommendations. Pardew uses the media and personal viewings to decide the list of options in order of prefereence. Pardew details to his coaching staff how he wants the team to improve and defensively, we are on the improve as an example. Carvber, Stone etc enact these instructions. New layers arrive and are integrated and after getting used to the style, culture of the area, language barriers, over time, effectively integrtate themselves as part of the team. Charnley and his crew negotiate trnsfer fees and contracts within the budget conditions estab;ished by the chairman/owner. More emphasis is placed on the academy in bringing home grown players through into the senior set up. Beardsley, Joyce and crew are responsible for this. In general, all lines of communication within the club over a season should end up in becoming a healthy squad build over the season with a bright future. Whoever coordinates this and possibly the manager, needs to work extremely effectively and in my opinion, Pardew seems to be the main man here in bringing together all these areas. He is not the coach, he is the manager and whilst he will spend a lot of time on the training field, he will spend more time inn the office coordinating a vast number of issues over the season. So far, he seems to be succeeding as results will point out and as I stated before, if we had got a quality striker in during the transfer window, most of us on here would have beeb highly satisfied with our business. As it stands, lets hope the results continue to bode well and with what appears to be the youngest squad of players in the PL, lets hope the future is bright as well. By the way, for those who are trying to compare KK to Pardew, it might be interesting to note that KK walked out of the club TWICE when funds were not made available for players. Pardew could have walked too but thankfully, he didnt and just got on with the job which is something KK should have done, despite the Wise interference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think on here at least, he's always going to be one bad result away from heavy criticism. I liked Hughton but at this moment in time I feel more optimistic about the club than I did twelve months ago. Ashley is still making errors but on the pitch we seem quite stable and there's a core of very good players who are exciting to watch. I don't think we've fully gelled yet and our strongest XI is still up for debate. However, I can see positive signs and I think Pardew can take a lot of credit for that. Let's be honest, he's nowhere near as bad as the majority of us feared he'd be. Still reckon we'll finish bottom then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I have to admit, we've started far far more encouragingly than I expected. Pre season was a mess and we looked set for a poor season. However since taking over Pardew has continued to exceed my low expectations. Long may it continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Kluivert, Carr and Butt were all supposedly signings by Fat Fred, without Bobby's approval. I say supposedly as ive no proof but it seemed odd from what Bobby was saying at the time and who we ended up signing. It also seemed to further drive a wedge between Fred and Bobby after Shepherd made it public that it was Bobby's last season. Only two weeks before we signed Butt, Bobby came out with the line "I don't understand the link to Nicky Butt, we dont need him as we've got Hugo Viana." I'm pretty sure, it was generally accepted that Robson wanted that Spanisg full back (Miguel?) but ended up with Carr. Bobby ended up signing Butt on the recommendation of Dyer. This was after Freddy wouldn't pay a couple of million for Carrick as he thought with him being from Waaaaallllllsssseeeennnndddd he could get him for even cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Isn't he on TalkSport this morning? Should be a write up of it on their website later if anyone is interested, there was last time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Magpie 99: I thought that was a very good post until that blinded last paragraph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The hierachy at the club are obviously allocating duties down through a chain of command. Each and every part of the management team has their individual roles which ultimately combine to form a plan for the onfield stature of the club. For example, Ashley and his cohorts decide to bring in young, cheap, foreign players, no loanees and players who can progress or be moved on at a profit. Carr is given this portfolio to work too and provide a list of recommendations. Pardew uses the media and personal viewings to decide the list of options in order of prefereence. Pardew details to his coaching staff how he wants the team to improve and defensively, we are on the improve as an example. Carvber, Stone etc enact these instructions. New layers arrive and are integrated and after getting used to the style, culture of the area, language barriers, over time, effectively integrtate themselves as part of the team. Charnley and his crew negotiate trnsfer fees and contracts within the budget conditions estab;ished by the chairman/owner. More emphasis is placed on the academy in bringing home grown players through into the senior set up. Beardsley, Joyce and crew are responsible for this. In general, all lines of communication within the club over a season should end up in becoming a healthy squad build over the season with a bright future. Whoever coordinates this and possibly the manager, needs to work extremely effectively and in my opinion, Pardew seems to be the main man here in bringing together all these areas. He is not the coach, he is the manager and whilst he will spend a lot of time on the training field, he will spend more time inn the office coordinating a vast number of issues over the season. So far, he seems to be succeeding as results will point out and as I stated before, if we had got a quality striker in during the transfer window, most of us on here would have beeb highly satisfied with our business. As it stands, lets hope the results continue to bode well and with what appears to be the youngest squad of players in the PL, lets hope the future is bright as well. By the way, for those who are trying to compare KK to Pardew, it might be interesting to note that KK walked out of the club TWICE when funds were not made available for players. Pardew could have walked too but thankfully, he didnt and just got on with the job which is something KK should have done, despite the Wise interference. That bolded bit I'm still to be convinced about. I'm not sure what our style of play is and it seems to change week to week according to which players are picked. That might change as the new players are integrated but at this point I've only seen sign of it in one game this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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