Jagten Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Disappointing that the top brass seem to rate him so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I think we better change manager if we want to push better than what we are... nothing against pardew... but he is quite average. We held an Arsenal team (who have been tonking in goals for fun as late) for 93 minutes. Get a grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Better than passing it back to them surely? That's what we do when we play long ball, it comes right back at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Id expect to see Colo hoofing it more if it was a tactic given by Pardew. He rarely does, its normally Williamson/Simpson. It suggests player limitation moreso than a tactic for me. Definitely, it's literally impossible to believe that Pardew is telling them to hoof possession away every two minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Fucking hell guys he can only play with what he has If we try to out football arsenal we will get murdered Luck hasn't been with us last few weeks, that is all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Id expect to see Colo hoofing it more if it was a tactic given by Pardew. He rarely does, its normally Williamson/Simpson. It suggests player limitation moreso than a tactic for me. Or Maybe he has no game plan in the attacking game and is simply relying on his players to improvise. Well i wont be surprise since we are really bad at passing and creating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's almost as though Ronaldo has simply picked the opposite viewpoint to the majority. http://i.imgur.com/ZULpc.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 f***ing hell guys he can only play with what he has If we try to out football arsenal we will get murdered Luck hasn't been with us last few weeks, that is all! Hmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's almost as though Ronaldo has simply picked the opposite viewpoint to the majority. If 'sack Pardew' Wullie and 'get him out' Mick represent the majority I'd say that's a pretty bloody comfortably place to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's not logical that Pardew is instructing the defenders and Krul to hoof it long to Ba. It doesn't make sense on any level, it can't be happening. Anyone can see it leads us to lose the ball 99% of the time, and so can he. Even people who think he's a limited manager would have to accept that. Therefore it must be the lack of confidence of some of our players (Simpson, Willo, Krul mainly) that leads us to take the "safe" option and pump the ball forward. It's more about being safe in defence than an attacking tactic. Pardew needs to address this, and might be trying for all I know, but I don't think it's possible that he's actually doing it as a deliberate tactic. No offence, but that reads like a rationalisation to me Ian W. In the first place, it's his job to coach them to break bad habits such as hoofing it. Secondly, if it's instinctive, he's had a fair old time to coach it out of them (or at least demonstrate more positive steps in the right direction than he has so far). Thirdly... I don't have a thirdly, but I said secondly so I feel like I should have a thirdly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Fucking hell guys he can only play with what he has If we try to out football arsenal we will get murdered Luck hasn't been with us last few weeks, that is all! How come Swansea manage to play football against teams like Man City then? Are last season's championship team a bunch of undiscovered international class gems in disguise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's almost as though Ronaldo has simply picked the opposite viewpoint to the majority. http://i.imgur.com/ZULpc.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's not logical that Pardew is instructing the defenders and Krul to hoof it long to Ba. It doesn't make sense on any level, it can't be happening. Anyone can see it leads us to lose the ball 99% of the time, and so can he. Even people who think he's a limited manager would have to accept that. Therefore it must be the lack of confidence of some of our players (Simpson, Willo, Krul mainly) that leads us to take the "safe" option and pump the ball forward. It's more about being safe in defence than an attacking tactic. Pardew needs to address this, and might be trying for all I know, but I don't think it's possible that he's actually doing it as a deliberate tactic. No offence, but that reads like a rationalisation to me Ian W. In the first place, it's his job to coach them to break bad habits such as hoofing it. Secondly, if it's instinctive, he's had a fair old time to coach it out of them (or at least demonstrate more positive steps in the right direction than he has so far). Thirdly... I don't have a thirdly, but I said secondly so I feel like I should have a thirdly. Aye, I accept those points. It is his job to change the approach, but for me that's not as bad a failure as actively pursuing tactics based on random long balls. It's also a failing that can be fixed by getting better players in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We hoofed it way less last season with players who were worse technically. That's the only piece of information you need to know in the 'Pardew or players hoof argument Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We tried to pass the ball in the first half and did a decent job keeping the ball away from Arsenal, the stats on possession at half time were about even. Second half he hardly had the thing at all because we just launched it back to them each time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Fucking hell guys he can only play with what he has If we try to out football arsenal we will get murdered Luck hasn't been with us last few weeks, that is all! How come Swansea manage to play football against teams like Man City then? Are last season's championship team a bunch of undiscovered international class gems in disguise? Where are Swansea in the league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Nothing wrong with hoofing it? We didn't touch the ball in the 2nd half. Ben Arfa made a disappearing act, Cabaye made a shit act, and Ba got fucking climbed on by Koscielny and couldn't do shit. Shola was the main man in the 2nd half due to his physics. That's the sad bit. And I think Jonas is the one that gets away with murder here, not Santon. He runs for 90 minutes but what does he do? Fair enough for a couple of defensive involvements, but my word what an ultra predictable player he's become. And Pardew should be criticizing himself for the 2nd half tactics, although I agree with him on the 5 minutes of added time. Infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 f***ing hell guys he can only play with what he has If we try to out football arsenal we will get murdered Luck hasn't been with us last few weeks, that is all! How come Swansea manage to play football against teams like Man City then? Are last season's championship team a bunch of undiscovered international class gems in disguise? They don't away from home! Secondly their strength is their weakness. Away from home they drop points regularly as the don't have a second plan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We hoofed it way less last season with players who were worse technically. That's the only piece of information you need to know in the 'Pardew or players hoof argument Which players were worse technically? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Our position in the table does reflect where we are as a football team: not enough quality throughtout the squad to be troubling Arsenal and Chelsea but more than enough to be slugging it out with Liverpool for sixth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's not logical that Pardew is instructing the defenders and Krul to hoof it long to Ba. It doesn't make sense on any level, it can't be happening. Anyone can see it leads us to lose the ball 99% of the time, and so can he. Even people who think he's a limited manager would have to accept that. Therefore it must be the lack of confidence of some of our players (Simpson, Willo, Krul mainly) that leads us to take the "safe" option and pump the ball forward. It's more about being safe in defence than an attacking tactic. Pardew needs to address this, and might be trying for all I know, but I don't think it's possible that he's actually doing it as a deliberate tactic. No offence, but that reads like a rationalisation to me Ian W. In the first place, it's his job to coach them to break bad habits such as hoofing it. Secondly, if it's instinctive, he's had a fair old time to coach it out of them (or at least demonstrate more positive steps in the right direction than he has so far). Thirdly... I don't have a thirdly, but I said secondly so I feel like I should have a thirdly. Aye, I accept those points. It is his job to change the approach, but for me that's not as bad a failure as actively pursuing tactics based on random long balls. It's also a failing that can be fixed by getting better players in. He'll have to show some belief in the better players though. Ben Arfa got scapegoat treatment until last week and Santon is getting it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We hoofed it way less last season with players who were worse technically. That's the only piece of information you need to know in the 'Pardew or players hoof argument Which players were worse technically? I'm guessing he believes Nolan, Carroll and Barton aren't as technically gifted as Ba, Cabaye and HBA. Just a hunch like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 We hoofed it way less last season with players who were worse technically. That's the only piece of information you need to know in the 'Pardew or players hoof argument Which players were worse technically? Nolan was worse than Cabaye, Carroll/Shola were worse than Ba, Enrique and Santon are very similar with the ball on the ground, Ben Arfa is more technically gifted than Barton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Cowardly disgrace today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Fucking hell guys he can only play with what he has If we try to out football arsenal we will get murdered Luck hasn't been with us last few weeks, that is all! How come Swansea manage to play football against teams like Man City then? Are last season's championship team a bunch of undiscovered international class gems in disguise? Where are Swansea in the league? How much have they spent in comparison? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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