Interpolic Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 We have so many players who are better than average with the ball into their feet - Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Coloccini, Santon and Jonas from our first eleven. How come Swansea play better football than we do? Because they've been playing that way for a number of seasons, back to when Martinez was in charge. It takes time to change a teams playing style. Is that what you think's happening here? Where's the logic in the football seemingly becoming more direct as the season goes on in that case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Our free kick routines are pathetic. We might as well forefit free kicks and corners and let the opposition have the ball - save our energy. It's become a joke that Williamson thing. Every single time and I don't think it's actually worked once. Very true, and have you ever seen us try a short one, its just so predictable. Exactly. I don't understand this "We're in a rush and need a goal, let's hoof the freekick into the box" because that's exactly what the opposition wants. Play it short, get it to the wingers and swing a decent cross in for the strikers/CBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 It took Martin O'Neill no more than two or three games to change their playing style, they had his counter attacking style written all over them almost instantly without even signing any players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Our free kick routines are pathetic. We might as well forefit free kicks and corners and let the opposition have the ball - save our energy. It's become a joke that Williamson thing. Every single time and I don't think it's actually worked once. Very true, and have you ever seen us try a short one, its just so predictable. Exactly. I don't understand this "We're in a rush and need a goal, let's hoof the freekick into the box" because that's exactly what the opposition wants. Play it short, get it to the wingers and swing a decent cross in for the strikers/CBs. LERL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 It took Martin O'Neill no more than two or three games to change their playing style, they had his counter attacking style written all over them almost instantly without even signing any players. bit keegan-esque really, take away celtic he's not really achieved a great deal more than keegan did in his day either but similar in their ability to motivate and get teams playing imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 It took Martin O'Neill no more than two or three games to change their playing style, they had his counter attacking style written all over them almost instantly without even signing any players. bit keegan-esque really, take away celtic he's not really achieved a great deal more than keegan did in his day either but similar in their ability to motivate and get teams playing imo O'Neill's teams have never played football as good as what Keegan got some of his teams playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 It took Martin O'Neill no more than two or three games to change their playing style, they had his counter attacking style written all over them almost instantly without even signing any players. bit keegan-esque really, take away celtic he's not really achieved a great deal more than keegan did in his day either but similar in their ability to motivate and get teams playing imo O'Neill's teams have never played football as good as what Keegan got some of his teams playing. not in dispute but they're similar managers in the respect that they can motivate and get more out of players but neither were ever able to push on to the next level...remember MoN being talked about for manyoo? he's a way off that just now isn't he? still time for him mind, he's young enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think Wullie's point about MoN wasn't to compare him with Keegan, it was more to rubbish this notion that Pardew hasn't got the players to play football on the deck. It's utter shit as far as I'm concerned, we have more than good enough footballers, but Pardew hasn't got either the balls or the coaching ability to encourage football played from the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Fulham 0 Barca 'B' 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think Wullie's point about MoN wasn't to compare him with Keegan, it was more to rubbish this notion that Pardew hasn't got the players to play football on the deck. It's utter s*** as far as I'm concerned, we have more than good enough footballers, but Pardew hasn't got either the balls or the coaching ability to encourage football played from the back. By whom, Krul, Danny Simpson and Mike Williamson? Wake up and take a look at these players when they have the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Cock Piss Pardew better get his finger out and have us playing some decent stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Or you'll do what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Cock p*ss Pardew better get his finger out and have us playing some decent stuff Name calling already? That didnt take long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 By whom, Krul, Danny Simpson and Mike Williamson? Wake up and take a look at these players when they have the ball. You've named 2 out of 10 outfield players who can't, any more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think Wullie's point about MoN wasn't to compare him with Keegan, it was more to rubbish this notion that Pardew hasn't got the players to play football on the deck. It's utter s*** as far as I'm concerned, we have more than good enough footballers, but Pardew hasn't got either the balls or the coaching ability to encourage football played from the back. By whom, Krul, Danny Simpson and Mike Williamson? Wake up and take a look at these players when they have the ball. How have Sunderland suddenly started bringing the ball out quite comfortably sine O'Neill took over? Are their defenders so much more skilful than ours? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 They distribute the ball better from the back, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 By whom, Krul, Danny Simpson and Mike Williamson? Wake up and take a look at these players when they have the ball. You've named 2 out of 10 outfield players who can't, any more? 'From the back.' 3 out of 5, actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I'm fairly sure Krul could knock if 15 yards to a fullback if Pardew asked like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think Wullie's point about MoN wasn't to compare him with Keegan, it was more to rubbish this notion that Pardew hasn't got the players to play football on the deck. It's utter s*** as far as I'm concerned, we have more than good enough footballers, but Pardew hasn't got either the balls or the coaching ability to encourage football played from the back. By whom, Krul, Danny Simpson and Mike Williamson? Wake up and take a look at these players when they have the ball. Think the truth lies somewhere in between the two extremes, they're rubbish on the ball but not as bad as they look due to the tactics we employ most of the time. I think they could play a 10/15 yard pass into midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 They distribute the ball better from the back, yes. I know they do, that's my point. It's because they are encouraged to by their manager in my view, not because they've suddenly become much better footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Or you'll do what? Throw shit at you like a monkey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I'm fairly sure Krul could knock if 15 yards to a fullback if Pardew asked like. Let's hope he doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think Wullie's point about MoN wasn't to compare him with Keegan, it was more to rubbish this notion that Pardew hasn't got the players to play football on the deck. It's utter s*** as far as I'm concerned, we have more than good enough footballers, but Pardew hasn't got either the balls or the coaching ability to encourage football played from the back. By whom, Krul, Danny Simpson and Mike Williamson? Wake up and take a look at these players when they have the ball. Think the truth lies somewhere in between the two extremes, they're rubbish on the ball but not as bad as they look due to the tactics we employ most of the time. I think they could play a 10/15 yard pass into midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I'm fairly sure Krul could knock if 15 yards to a fullback if Pardew asked like. Let's hope he doesn't. Because he can't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 They distribute the ball better from the back, yes. I know they do, that's my point. It's because they are encouraged to by their manager in my view, not because they've suddenly become much better footballers. You don't think the likes of Richardson, Bridge, Bardsley and O'Shea are better on the ball than 3/4 of our most frequent back 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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