Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 And people wonder why our fans get labelled as unrealistic, fickle and general bubbling retards. Thanks for getting us all tarred with the same brush. And stupid. Spoling yourself with this ridiculous vendetta, man. If we werent performing like we are I'd be praising Pardew to the high heavens. I don't like the man but this is no vendetta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Anyway Pardew on Cabaye wide left... He was supposed to be playing out wide and simply refused to. It was a very undisciplined performance by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 “The first time I met Alan Pardew I asked him ‘How do you want to play? What is the style?’,” Cabaye told the Sunday Sun. “He said ‘With you, it will change’. I told him I want to have the ball at my feet, I want to pass the ball, pass again. “It reassured me a lot to hear that the first time I met him. It was my first move since Lille and not to another French club so it was more difficult. “I was pleased and relieved for him to say that. My mind was calmer because of that. I was reassured and I felt good.” "The manager is actually quite like the one I had at Lille [Rudi Garcia], they are quite similar," says a man who may have been tempted to join Aston Villa had Gérard Houllier not fallen ill. "Like Garcia, what Alan Pardew wants is for us to keep the ball. He talked to me about changing Newcastle's style and we work a lot on possession. He's doing a great job." No wonder he looks pissed off and isn't playing anything like he should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Anyway Pardew on Cabaye wide left... He was supposed to be playing out wide and simply refused to. It was a very undisciplined performance by him. Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I don`t want Pardew sacked, i want him to get the summer to build on what we have. But we need to see some progression next season, or else its not the right man. I just find it strange at the moment, as it feels like we have type A manager, and building a team of Type B players. If it was up to Pardew, i think we would not have HBA, Santon & Cabaye etc. Of course he want the two latter now, after seeing the quality, but i thing Pardew would have built a team of a different kind of players. I know it is speculation, but i just get the feeling he feels "forced" at times to include some of our players. As mention in this and earlier post, i want Pardew to succeed here, as he is at the end of the day a likable guy. But i have to say i see some signs that he is not the kind of manager to get the best out of the players we are recruiting at the moment. As i wrote earlier today, i think and hope the bit bellow can be a factor. And that we get it going in preseason to improve our overall play. I hope we have a decent run in to the season, and if possible secure a European spot. When this is completed, then Pardew and the lads get this season on a distance, reflect on the, to be fair, many positive things this season. (we are 6th tbh) and build on it. If we secure a top 7, i think a lot of weight will be off the players and especially Pardews shoulders. Completely agree with your post, High Five o/. I, for one, don't want to see Pardew sacked whatsoever. If we finish strongly this season (ie. a top 6/7 finish with the possibility of Europa League qualification), then he definitely has my support for next season. Finishing in such a position will represent massive progress for us and one which we should/have to build on. What I've highlighted in bold has quite a bit of substance imo, Pardew and the lads will get a whole summer to properly reflect on the good and the bad from this season. We'll hopefully build on the good and learn/improve from the bad. If, over the course of next season, it turns out we're making little progress and/or actually moving backwards, then massive questions about Pardew will be rightly raised (his future may even be called into question). As it stands though, the season's not over yet and there's still some work/a job to be done. Clearly, we need some work on our play/tactics, I'm not excusing Pardew for our "performances" these past few months - he's been very poor in this aspect and he needs to change his mentality and fast. So what I'll say is, I do/still have faith in Pardew and I do want the man to succeed. Fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 And people wonder why our fans get labelled as unrealistic, fickle and general bubbling retards. Thanks for getting us all tarred with the same brush. Why don't you offer an opinion instead of ridiculing other people's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 “The first time I met Alan Pardew I asked him ‘How do you want to play? What is the style?’,” Cabaye told the Sunday Sun. “He said ‘With you, it will change’. I told him I want to have the ball at my feet, I want to pass the ball, pass again. “It reassured me a lot to hear that the first time I met him. It was my first move since Lille and not to another French club so it was more difficult. “I was pleased and relieved for him to say that. My mind was calmer because of that. I was reassured and I felt good.” "The manager is actually quite like the one I had at Lille [Rudi Garcia], they are quite similar," says a man who may have been tempted to join Aston Villa had Gérard Houllier not fallen ill. "Like Garcia, what Alan Pardew wants is for us to keep the ball. He talked to me about changing Newcastle's style and we work a lot on possession. He's doing a great job." Doubt he's quite so sure now. (Given those comments are from late summer I believe.) His frustration was evident yesterday, as was Ba's at one point. Not good signs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 And people wonder why our fans get labelled as unrealistic, fickle and general bubbling retards. Thanks for getting us all tarred with the same brush. And stupid. Spoling yourself with this ridiculous vendetta, man. If we werent performing like we are I'd be praising Pardew to the high heavens. I don't like the man but this is no vendetta. I really get the feeling you want him to fail at the club's expense. It's exactly the same with Mick, and I'm fast apporaching that opinion about Wullie, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I think we are having a pretty good season, and he is a good manager. The people criticising him, would you want him sacked? I have had enough new managers in my lifetime. Pardew is one of the better ones. What makes him so good? I question his tactics all the time, I feel like results have been falling our way when we havent deserved since the City loss. I have and will state it again think that he has the same problem as SvenGöranEriksson. He has no ability in changing the game for good. I mean, every tactical change he makes puts more pressure on us and we fall back. Either he doesnt trust his player or he hates the beauty of the sport. Because in no way should we let teams control the game after playing so well like we did against Villa up till the goal, against Fulham until 2nd half also Norwich at the weekend in the first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Anyway Pardew on Cabaye wide left... He was supposed to be playing out wide and simply refused to. It was a very undisciplined performance by him. He was supposed to be playing out wide and simply refused to. It was a very undisciplined performance by him. WTF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 So my posts are now being attributed to Pards now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wullie Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 And people wonder why our fans get labelled as unrealistic, fickle and general bubbling retards. Thanks for getting us all tarred with the same brush. And stupid. Spoling yourself with this ridiculous vendetta, man. If we werent performing like we are I'd be praising Pardew to the high heavens. I don't like the man but this is no vendetta. I really get the feeling you want him to fail at the club's expense. It's exactly the same with Mick, and I'm fast apporaching that opinion about Wullie, too. What a dullard you are man, Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I think we are having a pretty good season, and he is a good manager. The people criticising him, would you want him sacked? I have had enough new managers in my lifetime. Pardew is one of the better ones. The only reason I don't want him sacked at the end of the season is because we don't need the upheaval, not because I think he's a good manager. This is probably the best season we'll have with Pardew IMO. Even if we keep buying well his lack of ability to get the side playing any kind of football will eventually lead to players like Cabaye and Ben Arfa getting disillusioned. Yes we're 6th but that's because we've got a better squad than most of the teams below us. It's like giving Avram Grant credit for taking Chelsea into the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'm beginning to think the reason why we are seeing these kind of repostes to good analysis and questioning is because like our manager, they don't understand the finer points of the game tactically or simply refuse to in light of our 6th place in the table. Its the equiverlent of sticking fingers in ears and signing lalalalalala. That's simply the most pompous post on here in quite some time. Just because you coach a kids team doesn't make you Mourinho you know? The funny thing about that quote is, it's exactly what I think of HTT. He writes well and is very expressive, but the content is often lots of hot air which fails to acknowledge a whole host of variables. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I think we are having a pretty good season, and he is a good manager. The people criticising him, would you want him sacked? I have had enough new managers in my lifetime. Pardew is one of the better ones. The only reason I don't want him sacked at the end of the season is because we don't need the upheaval, not because I think he's a good manager. This is probably the best season we'll have with Pardew IMO. Even if we keep buying well his lack of ability to get the side playing any kind of football will eventually lead to players like Cabaye and Ben Arfa getting disillusioned. Yes we're 6th but that's because we've got a better squad than most of the teams below us. It's like giving Avram Grant credit for taking Chelsea into the Champions League. Good post. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's an awful lot of negative assumptions in this thread. We hear that if we stick with Pards then: - We won't do as well in the league again. - We'll tumble down the league. - Our best players will get pissed off and want to leave. Unsure why that should automatically be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Okay one thing I don't understand, if our players are getting fed up with long ball why don't they simply refuse to do it? Just play their own game? I know, I know that's very simplistic but honestly why don't they? As a collective surely they can all see what we can? That keeping the ball on the floor works far better than punting it long and hoping Ba/Cisse can produce something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's an awful lot of negative assumptions in this thread. We hear that if we stick with Pards then: - We won't do as well in the league again. - We'll tumble down the league. - Our best players will get pissed off and want to leave. Unsure why that should automatically be the case. It's not the case, it's an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's an awful lot of negative assumptions in this thread. We hear that if we stick with Pards then: - We won't do as well in the league again. - We'll tumble down the league. - Our best players will get pissed off and want to leave. Unsure why that should automatically be the case. Here's another negative assumption: anyone having concerns about the football in the second half of the season wants Pardew out, immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Pardew still in the 'doing a good job' category for me Similar season with better football next year will be progress He definately knows a good deal/player when he sees one. And if Krul Colo and Cheick enjoy working under him that's good enough for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not so much "if we stick with Pards (cringe)", more if he sticks with the negative approach he has adopted since before Christmas. No reason he can't be more positive with these players. I think the problem recently is mentality more than a simple inability to get these players to keep the ball. We generally have some period in every game where we do play, even if it's for only ten minutes, it usually ends with us scoring at which point we retreat into our shells for the rest of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Okay one thing I don't understand, if our players are getting fed up with long ball why don't they simply refuse to do it? Just play their own game? I know, I know that's very simplistic but honestly why don't they? As a collective surely they can all see what we can? That keeping the ball on the floor works far better than punting it long and hoping Ba/Cisse can produce something? Could be argued that Ben Arfa did refuse to do it for a while, i.e. always played it short, took risks in possession, used more energy on attacking than tracking back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Why would they want away if we play hoofball? You are unsure why champions league hardened brilliant fotballers look miserable and unsettled when forced to sit deep and launch balls into orbit when they were promised carpet fotball upon coming here? Okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not so much "if we stick with Pards (cringe)", more if he sticks with the negative approach he has adopted since before Christmas. No reason he can't be more positive with these players. I think the problem recently is mentality more than a simple inability to get these players to keep the ball. We generally have some period in every game where we do play, even if it's for only ten minutes, it usually ends with us scoring at which point we retreat into our shells for the rest of the game. More positive? We've shipped in more goals than any of the top 10! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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