Guest BooBoo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's an awful lot of negative assumptions in this thread. We hear that if we stick with Pards then: - We won't do as well in the league again. - We'll tumble down the league. - Our best players will get pissed off and want to leave. Unsure why that should automatically be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Okay one thing I don't understand, if our players are getting fed up with long ball why don't they simply refuse to do it? Just play their own game? I know, I know that's very simplistic but honestly why don't they? As a collective surely they can all see what we can? That keeping the ball on the floor works far better than punting it long and hoping Ba/Cisse can produce something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's an awful lot of negative assumptions in this thread. We hear that if we stick with Pards then: - We won't do as well in the league again. - We'll tumble down the league. - Our best players will get pissed off and want to leave. Unsure why that should automatically be the case. It's not the case, it's an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's an awful lot of negative assumptions in this thread. We hear that if we stick with Pards then: - We won't do as well in the league again. - We'll tumble down the league. - Our best players will get pissed off and want to leave. Unsure why that should automatically be the case. Here's another negative assumption: anyone having concerns about the football in the second half of the season wants Pardew out, immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Pardew still in the 'doing a good job' category for me Similar season with better football next year will be progress He definately knows a good deal/player when he sees one. And if Krul Colo and Cheick enjoy working under him that's good enough for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not so much "if we stick with Pards (cringe)", more if he sticks with the negative approach he has adopted since before Christmas. No reason he can't be more positive with these players. I think the problem recently is mentality more than a simple inability to get these players to keep the ball. We generally have some period in every game where we do play, even if it's for only ten minutes, it usually ends with us scoring at which point we retreat into our shells for the rest of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Okay one thing I don't understand, if our players are getting fed up with long ball why don't they simply refuse to do it? Just play their own game? I know, I know that's very simplistic but honestly why don't they? As a collective surely they can all see what we can? That keeping the ball on the floor works far better than punting it long and hoping Ba/Cisse can produce something? Could be argued that Ben Arfa did refuse to do it for a while, i.e. always played it short, took risks in possession, used more energy on attacking than tracking back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Why would they want away if we play hoofball? You are unsure why champions league hardened brilliant fotballers look miserable and unsettled when forced to sit deep and launch balls into orbit when they were promised carpet fotball upon coming here? Okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not so much "if we stick with Pards (cringe)", more if he sticks with the negative approach he has adopted since before Christmas. No reason he can't be more positive with these players. I think the problem recently is mentality more than a simple inability to get these players to keep the ball. We generally have some period in every game where we do play, even if it's for only ten minutes, it usually ends with us scoring at which point we retreat into our shells for the rest of the game. More positive? We've shipped in more goals than any of the top 10! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 :lol: Ah man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 47 Points and 9 games left. 28 points to play for. How fun wouldnt it be to just go all out Swansea-style with Santon, Cissè, Ba, Ben arfa, Cabaye in the Silva-role, bombing forward. Could fail spectacularily. Or it could be a CL-ticket. Would have been fun either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Honestly can't get my head around that comment. We've conceded a lot of goals, therefore our play has most definitely been positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Honestly can't get my head around that comment. We've conceded a lot of goals, therefore our play has most definitely been positive. http://i.qkme.me/75t2.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Yeah, inviting pressure on the defence due to lack of a coherent gameplan of our own is clearly the way to go then. (Realise that's not what you're saying btw, as you've stated). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Going more positive = taking more risks = shipping more goals Simple equation really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. I don't buy it personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 47 Points and 9 games left. 28 points to play for. How fun wouldnt it be to just go all out Swansea-style with Santon, Cissè, Ba, Ben arfa, Cabaye in the Silva-role, bombing forward. Could fail spectacularily. Or it could be a CL-ticket. Would have been fun either way. Watching us struggle to pass the ball out of defence against Norwich makes me think it's too late in the day to adopt a new approach now, the players are unsure of themselves and the manager clearly doesn't have confidence in it. Best just to stick with what he is comfortable with and hope we'll scrape four wins from somewhere like we did yesterday. We haven't got a prayer against the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool, but it might be enough against the Swanseas and West Broms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 47 Points and 9 games left. 28 points to play for. How fun wouldnt it be to just go all out Swansea-style with Santon, Cissè, Ba, Ben arfa, Cabaye in the Silva-role, bombing forward. Could fail spectacularily. Or it could be a CL-ticket. Would have been fun either way. Cabaye isn't and never will be a Silva type of player. That's a daft comparison. If you think we can overtake Arsenal now by bombing forward and leaving the likes of Williamson vulnerable, you need looking at, bro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Going more positive = taking more risks = shipping more goals Simple equation really Aye, if only it fucking worked like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Going more positive = taking more risks = shipping more goals Simple equation really Compared to going more positive, keep more possession and therefore the other team can't score, puts less pressure on people like Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Going more positive = taking more risks = shipping more goals Simple equation really Gifting away possession and inviting pressure on to ourselves mean nothing to you then? Are you watching the games, this is what's happening every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Because we are drawing attention to our weak link by inviting pressure to it rather than try to keep the ball in the midfield and retain possession further up the field. He is making it worse rather than better, but because we are parking the bus most teams cant get through anyway. Against the better sides it gets rather pathetic though, second half vs arsenal it looked like teams from a different division playing eachother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Going more positive = taking more risks = shipping more goals Simple equation really Gifting away possession and inviting pressure on to ourselves mean nothing to you then? Are you watching the games, this is what's happening every week. That could work in some-way if we had the players to launch good counter-attacks when we don't, so it's madness. Obertan's goal v Blackburn meant we were the last team this season to score from a counter attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Think he means we've conceded a lot so going more positive would mean even more goals conceded. Not true imo, but I can see the reasoning. Going more positive = taking more risks = shipping more goals Simple equation really 5 = apple = Egypt The kumquat laughs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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