Alan Pardew

[Spudil]

 

But you're wrong. There were people that took in past form and what Pardew had said through his time here, his general interviews, his use of players, his explanations when we played badly and his admittances when things didn't go to plan and came to a different conclusion. Buy into what we felt he was aiming for, and the way he ideally would have us play. Sometime that faith looked shaky at best, but I thought that there was very little to suggest he was a negative manager, or married to the concept of 'hoofball' that some here kept banging on about.

 

There will be many many more games where we f*** up, set up wrongly, or end up lumping it forward. I just hope the current form makes the likes of HTT hesitate from jumping off the deep end again when we hit a bad patch.

 

I fear it wont.

 

/Christ, it wasn't that many weeks ago he was still calling for Pardew to be replaced sooner rather than later.

/But then, it wasn't many moons ago, he was fighting Allardyces corner, or siding with Souness over Bellamy and Robert iirc...

 

I'm wrong about what exactly?

 

You certinly won't see me jumping on Pardews back if things go a bit sour, I always said if he gave me signs I would be all over them.

 

You have to remember, the crux of the problem was that we were playing a style of football that did not suit our players. This is what I criticized Pardew for. His past record suggests a lot of hoof-ball and many pundits and the like allluded to the fact that he always said he plays attractive football, while doing close to the opposite[this obviously set some alarm bells ringing]. I did not see his change in mentality coming, and I don't think these was anything tangible to suggest it would. I fully admit I was wrong in relation to the fact that I did not think Pardew could change his mentality/approach. People were making excuses like blaming individual players, not suggesting it(the negative approach) was part of some plan. Anyway I don't care anymore, I think Pards may have seen the light 

 

There were people that took in past form and what Pardew had said through his time here, his general interviews, his use of players, his explanations when we played badly and his admittances when things didn't go to plan and came to a different conclusion.

 

This is just a load of nothing btw

[Cajun]

There is no 'old' Pardew, isn't it possible he has more flexibility and ability to learn/adapt than you gave him credit for?

 

 

That is one thing that annoys me, it almost seems like a criticism or at least a patronising pat of the back that our performances have gotten better (despite us doing well all season) 'Well at least he has finally seen the light..'.

 

Throughout these debates you more than most seem to have been incapable of seperating performances from results and as such you make youself look silly at times with some of your comments.

 

At least its only some of my comments.

[Hughesy]

Had Pardew continued to put out teams set up to perform like Wolves at home he'd be under extreme pressure, but he changed it and we've performed much better. You can only talking about what you see, Pardew was getting it wrong and showed no sign of changing things then boom, he did. Its great news and its give us a great end to the season, but to say HTT was wrong is nonsense, plenty of people on here were very worried where we were heading, whether they said owt or not is a different matter. I personally thought he was blowing it and was fuming.

 

One concern i have left is that he reverts back to old at the start of the season, trying to protect points etc...if that doesnt happen and we see what were seeing now its only going to get better with better players coming in.

 

This right here, gentlemen.

 

I did not see it coming at all, I can't think of any logical reason that suggested it would come, nor was one suggested by any poster on this board. Negative tactics were accompanied by cries of "you idiot, how can you pass it from the back with simpson, willo and Krul in the team/ Cabaye is in terrible form" ect.

 

Pardew's change of mentality also exactly coincides with Ben Arfa forcing himself into the team. Now try to remember objectively, Ben Arfa was not eased into the team or anything like that, he was thrown on as a wildcard, an "oh-s***!" button. And he preformed so well in those cameos that he simple could not be dropped from the team (fan pressure being a factor too).

 

I'm not taking anything away from Pardew he's done unbelievably well. And I almost regret typing this already as this can of worms is in the past. But people gloating ' i woz right bout somethin' , 'will you admit you was wrong' is really irritating.

 

But you're wrong. There were people that took in past form and what Pardew had said through his time here, his general interviews, his use of players, his explanations when we played badly and his admittances when things didn't go to plan and came to a different conclusion. Buy into what we felt he was aiming for, and the way he ideally would have us play. Sometime that faith looked shaky at best, but I thought that there was very little to suggest he was a negative manager, or married to the concept of 'hoofball' that some here kept banging on about.

 

There will be many many more games where we f*** up, set up wrongly, or end up lumping it forward. I just hope the current form makes the likes of HTT hesitate from jumping off the deep end again when we hit a bad patch.

 

I fear it wont.

 

/Christ, it wasn't that many weeks ago he was still calling for Pardew to be replaced sooner rather than later.

/But then, it wasn't many moons ago, he was fighting Allardyces corner, or siding with Souness over Bellamy and Robert iirc...

 

Revisionist to the extreme, did you watch ANY of the games where he was accused of this? There was open conflict on the pitch as Demba Ba was arguing with Coloccini for Krul to stop punting it up the pitch every time he got it in at least 1 game that I saw. Krul, and Colo, to their credit, kept on doing what they were told to do by their manager.

 

When did these arguments happen???

[cannybagoftudor]

I reckon his first priority was getting us safe - once we had 40+ points he relaxed and it is evident in the last 6 games - he has given players their heads and wow. Good luck to him - I think he is a keeper.

[Cajun]

I reckon his first priority was getting us safe - once we had 40+ points he relaxed and it is evident in the last 6 games - he has given players their heads and wow. Good luck to him - I think he is a keeper.

 

Not tall enough to be a keeper.

[JH]

[Ryan_Taylor]

Manager of the season

[wormy]

Manager of the season

 

Nah. Redknapp. Kept the pace with those Top Four bullies bar the late slip up, but the determination was admirable.

Or Wenger for answering those pesky critics wrong.

[Cajun]

Rodgers for not getting relegated.

[Guest bimpy474]

MON for me like.

[wormy]

Rodgers for not getting relegated.

 

Lambert for not getting relegated nearly as well.

 

MON for me like.

 

PL title winner of the half-season tbf, has to get a look-in.

[Guest bimpy474]

Rodgers for not getting relegated.

 

Lambert for not getting relegated nearly as well.

 

MON for me like.

 

PL title winner of the half-season tbf, has to get a look-in.

 

Scruffbag of the half a season, he has a chance.

[looneytoon]

Kenny for winning the Vimto Cup with only a paucity of funds.

[Tiresias]

Kenny for winning the Vimto Cup with only a paucity of funds.

 

Kenny deserves it just for that shirt deal

[Jayson]

There is no 'old' Pardew, isn't it possible he has more flexibility and ability to learn/adapt than you gave him credit for?

 

 

That is one thing that annoys me, it almost seems like a criticism or at least a patronising pat of the back that our performances have gotten better (despite us doing well all season) 'Well at least he has finally seen the light..'.

 

This is whats laughable about it. Its no new thing, this isnt the first time Gutierrez has been played centrally this season. Best was tried in Ba's current position.  We played defensively largely to cover our weakest point (defence) after Saylor was injured as Ba was doing the business upfront and the combination of that was producing results.

As soon as he left for ACON Pards changed it we went more attacking against Fulham specifically because we didnt have someone to rely on to score individually so had to change overall mentality.

 

The signs of Pardew being flexible to approaches was always there. Realistically many just didnt see it & now are making excuses for that tbh. There were two POV in regards to Pards a couple months ago & one of them has largely been proven right at this point. Simple as for me.

[Cajun]

There is no 'old' Pardew, isn't it possible he has more flexibility and ability to learn/adapt than you gave him credit for?

 

 

That is one thing that annoys me, it almost seems like a criticism or at least a patronising pat of the back that our performances have gotten better (despite us doing well all season) 'Well at least he has finally seen the light..'.

 

This is whats laughable about it. Its no new thing, this isnt the first time Gutierrez has been played centrally this season. Best was tried in Ba's current position.  We played defensively largely to cover our weakest point (defence) after Saylor was injured as Ba was doing the business upfront and the combination of that was producing results.

As soon as he left for ACON Pards changed it we went more attacking against Fulham specifically because we didnt have someone to rely on to score individually so had to change overall mentality.

 

The signs of Pardew being flexible to approaches was always there. Realistically many just didnt see it & now are making excuses for that tbh. There were two POV in regards to Pards a couple months ago & one of them has largely been proven right at this point. Simple as for me.

 

 

I don't doubt he could have done some things better but this 'when he started doing what I said we should be doing' attitude is a bit cringeworthy. Even when  we were playing this "badly" we were getting unexpectedly good results.

 

It's easy to talk about seperating performances and results or failure to do so but ugly performances only become a concern when you are failing to get results (there was quite a bit of talk of us not being able to keep it up) and the amount of points we have gotten this season clearly show we have consistently done well enough to exceed all expectations.

 

We are playing very well at the moment and a certain player who wasn't getting much game time before is a big part of that but we haven't just gone on some amazing run and crept up the table. You don't fluke 34 games in a season.

 

It's been an amazing season and from top to bottom everyone deserves a hell of a lot of credit.

[Guest ToonZA]

There is no 'old' Pardew, isn't it possible he has more flexibility and ability to learn/adapt than you gave him credit for?

 

 

That is one thing that annoys me, it almost seems like a criticism or at least a patronising pat of the back that our performances have gotten better (despite us doing well all season) 'Well at least he has finally seen the light..'.

 

This is whats laughable about it. Its no new thing, this isnt the first time Gutierrez has been played centrally this season. Best was tried in Ba's current position.  We played defensively largely to cover our weakest point (defence) after Saylor was injured as Ba was doing the business upfront and the combination of that was producing results.

As soon as he left for ACON Pards changed it we went more attacking against Fulham specifically because we didnt have someone to rely on to score individually so had to change overall mentality.

 

The signs of Pardew being flexible to approaches was always there. Realistically many just didnt see it & now are making excuses for that tbh. There were two POV in regards to Pards a couple months ago & one of them has largely been proven right at this point. Simple as for me.

 

 

I don't doubt he could have done some things better but this 'when he started doing what I said we should be doing' attitude is a bit cringeworthy. Even when  we were playing this "badly" we were getting unexpectedly good results.

 

It's easy to talk about seperating performances and results or failure to do so but ugly performances only become a concern when you are failing to get results (there was quite a bit of talk of us not being able to keep it up) and the amount of points we have gotten this season clearly show we have consistently done well enough to exceed all expectations.

 

We are playing very well at the moment and a certain player who wasn't getting much game time before is a big part of that but we haven't just gone on some amazing run and crept up the table. You don't fluke 34 games in a season.

 

It's been an amazing season and from top to bottom everyone deserves a hell of a lot of credit.

As opposed to 'when he started doing what I said he was going to do' ? 

I really dont give a fuck about who was proven right or wrong. It has been years since I have been this happy about all things NUFC 

 

 

[Cajun]

There is no 'old' Pardew, isn't it possible he has more flexibility and ability to learn/adapt than you gave him credit for?

 

 

That is one thing that annoys me, it almost seems like a criticism or at least a patronising pat of the back that our performances have gotten better (despite us doing well all season) 'Well at least he has finally seen the light..'.

 

This is whats laughable about it. Its no new thing, this isnt the first time Gutierrez has been played centrally this season. Best was tried in Ba's current position.  We played defensively largely to cover our weakest point (defence) after Saylor was injured as Ba was doing the business upfront and the combination of that was producing results.

As soon as he left for ACON Pards changed it we went more attacking against Fulham specifically because we didnt have someone to rely on to score individually so had to change overall mentality.

 

The signs of Pardew being flexible to approaches was always there. Realistically many just didnt see it & now are making excuses for that tbh. There were two POV in regards to Pards a couple months ago & one of them has largely been proven right at this point. Simple as for me.

 

 

I don't doubt he could have done some things better but this 'when he started doing what I said we should be doing' attitude is a bit cringeworthy. Even when  we were playing this "badly" we were getting unexpectedly good results.

 

It's easy to talk about seperating performances and results or failure to do so but ugly performances only become a concern when you are failing to get results (there was quite a bit of talk of us not being able to keep it up) and the amount of points we have gotten this season clearly show we have consistently done well enough to exceed all expectations.

 

We are playing very well at the moment and a certain player who wasn't getting much game time before is a big part of that but we haven't just gone on some amazing run and crept up the table. You don't fluke 34 games in a season.

 

It's been an amazing season and from top to bottom everyone deserves a hell of a lot of credit.

As opposed to 'when he started doing what I said he was going to do' ? 

I really dont give a fuck about who was proven right or wrong. It has been years since I have been this happy about all things NUFC 

 

 

 

You're right, fucking loving this. Just watched MOTD2 and we really are fucking brilliant even if it was a few seconds of highlights.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There is no 'old' Pardew, isn't it possible he has more flexibility and ability to learn/adapt than you gave him credit for?

 

 

That is one thing that annoys me, it almost seems like a criticism or at least a patronising pat of the back that our performances have gotten better (despite us doing well all season) 'Well at least he has finally seen the light..'.

 

This is whats laughable about it. Its no new thing, this isnt the first time Gutierrez has been played centrally this season. Best was tried in Ba's current position.  We played defensively largely to cover our weakest point (defence) after Saylor was injured as Ba was doing the business upfront and the combination of that was producing results.

As soon as he left for ACON Pards changed it we went more attacking against Fulham specifically because we didnt have someone to rely on to score individually so had to change overall mentality.

 

The signs of Pardew being flexible to approaches was always there. Realistically many just didnt see it & now are making excuses for that tbh. There were two POV in regards to Pards a couple months ago & one of them has largely been proven right at this point. Simple as for me.

 

 

I don't doubt he could have done some things better but this 'when he started doing what I said we should be doing' attitude is a bit cringeworthy. Even when  we were playing this "badly" we were getting unexpectedly good results.

 

It's easy to talk about seperating performances and results or failure to do so but ugly performances only become a concern when you are failing to get results (there was quite a bit of talk of us not being able to keep it up) and the amount of points we have gotten this season clearly show we have consistently done well enough to exceed all expectations.

 

We are playing very well at the moment and a certain player who wasn't getting much game time before is a big part of that but we haven't just gone on some amazing run and crept up the table. You don't fluke 34 games in a season.

 

It's been an amazing season and from top to bottom everyone deserves a hell of a lot of credit.

As opposed to 'when he started doing what I said he was going to do' ? 

I really dont give a fuck about who was proven right or wrong. It has been years since I have been this happy about all things NUFC 

 

 

 

You're right, fucking loving this. Just watched MOTD2 and we really are fucking brilliant even if it was a few seconds of highlights.

 

Agree with you all!

 

[Guest ToonZA]

Going to bed now to dream about Cabaye's through ball and Cisse's run and finish....it will be a wet one then 

[wormy]

Christ. Get a look at the fag-out going on up in here.

 

Can I join?

[Spudil]

Having a little circle-jerk where you ignore everything to the contrary and pat each other on the back.

 

Good 'discussion'.

 

I'm giving up on talking about the past now and only posting about what's ahead of us. 

[BottledDog]

Had Pardew continued to put out teams set up to perform like Wolves at home he'd be under extreme pressure, but he changed it and we've performed much better. You can only talking about what you see, Pardew was getting it wrong and showed no sign of changing things then boom, he did. Its great news and its give us a great end to the season, but to say HTT was wrong is nonsense, plenty of people on here were very worried where we were heading, whether they said owt or not is a different matter. I personally thought he was blowing it and was fuming.

 

One concern i have left is that he reverts back to old at the start of the season, trying to protect points etc...if that doesnt happen and we see what were seeing now its only going to get better with better players coming in.

 

This right here, gentlemen.

 

I did not see it coming at all, I can't think of any logical reason that suggested it would come, nor was one suggested by any poster on this board. Negative tactics were accompanied by cries of "you idiot, how can you pass it from the back with simpson, willo and Krul in the team/ Cabaye is in terrible form" ect.

 

Pardew's change of mentality also exactly coincides with Ben Arfa forcing himself into the team. Now try to remember objectively, Ben Arfa was not eased into the team or anything like that, he was thrown on as a wildcard, an "oh-s***!" button. And he preformed so well in those cameos that he simple could not be dropped from the team (fan pressure being a factor too).

 

I'm not taking anything away from Pardew he's done unbelievably well. And I almost regret typing this already as this can of worms is in the past. But people gloating ' i woz right bout somethin' , 'will you admit you was wrong' is really irritating.

 

But you're wrong. There were people that took in past form and what Pardew had said through his time here, his general interviews, his use of players, his explanations when we played badly and his admittances when things didn't go to plan and came to a different conclusion. Buy into what we felt he was aiming for, and the way he ideally would have us play. Sometime that faith looked shaky at best, but I thought that there was very little to suggest he was a negative manager, or married to the concept of 'hoofball' that some here kept banging on about.

 

There will be many many more games where we f*** up, set up wrongly, or end up lumping it forward. I just hope the current form makes the likes of HTT hesitate from jumping off the deep end again when we hit a bad patch.

 

I fear it wont.

 

/Christ, it wasn't that many weeks ago he was still calling for Pardew to be replaced sooner rather than later.

/But then, it wasn't many moons ago, he was fighting Allardyces corner, or siding with Souness over Bellamy and Robert iirc...

 

Revisionist to the extreme, did you watch ANY of the games where he was accused of this? There was open conflict on the pitch as Demba Ba was arguing with Coloccini for Krul to stop punting it up the pitch every time he got it in at least 1 game that I saw. Krul, and Colo, to their credit, kept on doing what they were told to do by their manager.

 

Open conflict on the pitch? Bollocks. There have been plenty games, possibly the majority of games where there have been players having a go at each other.

 

Having  go at each other for following the managers instructions on those occasions? Seriously? You really think that? Absolute bullshit.

[BottledDog]

 

But you're wrong. There were people that took in past form and what Pardew had said through his time here, his general interviews, his use of players, his explanations when we played badly and his admittances when things didn't go to plan and came to a different conclusion. Buy into what we felt he was aiming for, and the way he ideally would have us play. Sometime that faith looked shaky at best, but I thought that there was very little to suggest he was a negative manager, or married to the concept of 'hoofball' that some here kept banging on about.

 

There will be many many more games where we f*** up, set up wrongly, or end up lumping it forward. I just hope the current form makes the likes of HTT hesitate from jumping off the deep end again when we hit a bad patch.

 

I fear it wont.

 

/Christ, it wasn't that many weeks ago he was still calling for Pardew to be replaced sooner rather than later.

/But then, it wasn't many moons ago, he was fighting Allardyces corner, or siding with Souness over Bellamy and Robert iirc...

 

I'm wrong about what exactly?

 

You certinly won't see me jumping on Pardews back if things go a bit sour, I always said if he gave me signs I would be all over them.

 

You have to remember, the crux of the problem was that we were playing a style of football that did not suit our players. This is what I criticized Pardew for. His past record suggests a lot of hoof-ball and many pundits and the like allluded to the fact that he always said he plays attractive football, while doing close to the opposite[this obviously set some alarm bells ringing]. I did not see his change in mentality coming, and I don't think these was anything tangible to suggest it would. I fully admit I was wrong in relation to the fact that I did not think Pardew could change his mentality/approach. People were making excuses like blaming individual players, not suggesting it(the negative approach) was part of some plan. Anyway I don't care anymore, I think Pards may have seen the light 

 

This is just a load of nothing btw

 

I don't follow that he suddenly changed his philosophy, and I honestly don't know who these many pundits are, or what they said? Enlighten me.

[HawK]

Had Pardew continued to put out teams set up to perform like Wolves at home he'd be under extreme pressure, but he changed it and we've performed much better. You can only talking about what you see, Pardew was getting it wrong and showed no sign of changing things then boom, he did. Its great news and its give us a great end to the season, but to say HTT was wrong is nonsense, plenty of people on here were very worried where we were heading, whether they said owt or not is a different matter. I personally thought he was blowing it and was fuming.

 

One concern i have left is that he reverts back to old at the start of the season, trying to protect points etc...if that doesnt happen and we see what were seeing now its only going to get better with better players coming in.

 

This right here, gentlemen.

 

I did not see it coming at all, I can't think of any logical reason that suggested it would come, nor was one suggested by any poster on this board. Negative tactics were accompanied by cries of "you idiot, how can you pass it from the back with simpson, willo and Krul in the team/ Cabaye is in terrible form" ect.

 

Pardew's change of mentality also exactly coincides with Ben Arfa forcing himself into the team. Now try to remember objectively, Ben Arfa was not eased into the team or anything like that, he was thrown on as a wildcard, an "oh-s***!" button. And he preformed so well in those cameos that he simple could not be dropped from the team (fan pressure being a factor too).

 

I'm not taking anything away from Pardew he's done unbelievably well. And I almost regret typing this already as this can of worms is in the past. But people gloating ' i woz right bout somethin' , 'will you admit you was wrong' is really irritating.

 

But you're wrong. There were people that took in past form and what Pardew had said through his time here, his general interviews, his use of players, his explanations when we played badly and his admittances when things didn't go to plan and came to a different conclusion. Buy into what we felt he was aiming for, and the way he ideally would have us play. Sometime that faith looked shaky at best, but I thought that there was very little to suggest he was a negative manager, or married to the concept of 'hoofball' that some here kept banging on about.

 

There will be many many more games where we f*** up, set up wrongly, or end up lumping it forward. I just hope the current form makes the likes of HTT hesitate from jumping off the deep end again when we hit a bad patch.

 

I fear it wont.

 

/Christ, it wasn't that many weeks ago he was still calling for Pardew to be replaced sooner rather than later.

/But then, it wasn't many moons ago, he was fighting Allardyces corner, or siding with Souness over Bellamy and Robert iirc...

 

Revisionist to the extreme, did you watch ANY of the games where he was accused of this? There was open conflict on the pitch as Demba Ba was arguing with Coloccini for Krul to stop punting it up the pitch every time he got it in at least 1 game that I saw. Krul, and Colo, to their credit, kept on doing what they were told to do by their manager.

 

Open conflict on the pitch? Bollocks. There have been plenty games, possibly the majority of games where there have been players having a go at each other.

 

Having  go at each other for following the managers instructions on those occasions? Seriously? You really think that? Absolute bullshit.

 

So you decide to not watch the game and call people who have seen it 'talking bollocks', internet-revisionist idiocy at its finest.