Guest BooBoo Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There comes a point though where it is just ridiculous: Wolves wanting £20million for Fletcher is a good example, ludicrous over valuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Express have it as well tbf http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/339470? He was just saying what and why things have been slow. Hardly an attack or a slam. You avatar man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There comes a point though where it is just ridiculous: Wolves wanting £20million for Fletcher is a good example, ludicrous over valuation. I would say that is low considering the mackems are involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Him saying no one else has done anything apart from Chelsea is bollocks to be fair... Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool have all spent money. The later two our most likely rivals for 5th and 6th places. OK, the spuds are likely to be missing a few come the start and Liverpool have lost players too but they are all spending £10M+ on players. Otherwise, he is probably spot on about valuations. Everyone knows we are all about to get a shit load more money (TV), hence, they are trying to get the best possible deals done. Any sensible business would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He's the one that's been spouting the 'if someone wants one of our main men they are going to have to pay well above market rate' shit He can't have it both ways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He's the one that's been spouting the 'if someone wants one of our main men they are going to have to pay well above market rate' shit He can't have it both ways Good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There comes a point though where it is just ridiculous: Wolves wanting £20million for Fletcher is a good example, ludicrous over valuation. Is it though, for a player who would so much more valuable to them as part of a promotion push? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He's the one that's been spouting the 'if someone wants one of our main men they are going to have to pay well above market rate' shit He can't have it both ways Good point. Agree. As long as clubs can afford to say no to a "normal" bid, its not their problem. Wolves saying £20m for Fletcher is the same as not for sale at any price really. If a club is stupid enough to pay that kind of crazy money, its buyers problem. You can say football is fucked, but as long as selling club can afford it, and the player is important enough for them, who can blame them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He's the one that's been spouting the 'if someone wants one of our main men they are going to have to pay well above market rate' shit He can't have it both ways Good point. It's certainly a strange line of argument for a club that sold Andy Carroll for 35 million pounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I've had a quick google but cant find an exact list - but it would interesting to see how many right backs have gone for more than £7m - particularly those being sold across countries which usually are lower than within the same league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I've had a quick google but cant find an exact list - but it would interesting to see how many right backs have gone for more than £7m - particularly those being sold across countries which usually are lower than within the same league Dani Alves, Bosingwa, Glen Johnson ... not so many Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There comes a point though where it is just ridiculous: Wolves wanting £20million for Fletcher is a good example, ludicrous over valuation. Is it though, for a player who would so much more valuable to them as part of a promotion push? That's exactly it. Wolves are apparently in quite a good financial condition so they don't need to sell, and their aim must be to come straight back up especially with the new TV deal coming into effect next season. If they sell their best players now it may prove very expensive one year down the line if they miss out on the minimum 60 odd million Premiership clubs will get from the new TV deal. Also fully agree with sicko's post. We of all clubs are in now position to complain about high player valuations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There comes a point though where it is just ridiculous: Wolves wanting £20million for Fletcher is a good example, ludicrous over valuation. Is it though, for a player who would so much more valuable to them as part of a promotion push? That's exactly it. Wolves are apparently in quite a good financial condition so they don't need to sell, and their aim must be to come straight back up especially with the new TV deal coming into effect next season. If they sell their best players now it may prove very expensive one year down the line if they miss out on the minimum 60 odd million Premiership clubs will get from the new TV deal. Also fully agree with sicko's post. We of all clubs are in now position to complain about high player valuations. Wouldn't they not just be better saying he isn't for sale then? Even if a player hands in a transfer request, does a club "have to" sell? Maybe they do, I'm not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There comes a point though where it is just ridiculous: Wolves wanting £20million for Fletcher is a good example, ludicrous over valuation. Is it though, for a player who would so much more valuable to them as part of a promotion push? That's exactly it. Wolves are apparently in quite a good financial condition so they don't need to sell, and their aim must be to come straight back up especially with the new TV deal coming into effect next season. If they sell their best players now it may prove very expensive one year down the line if they miss out on the minimum 60 odd million Premiership clubs will get from the new TV deal. Also fully agree with sicko's post. We of all clubs are in now position to complain about high player valuations. Wouldn't they not just be better saying he isn't for sale then? Even if a player hands in a transfer request, does a club "have to" sell? Maybe they do, I'm not sure. They could say that, but I don't think it would go down well with the players. As everywhere, every player has their price; it's just that price is naturally a lot higher when you don't need to sell and ideally want to keep the player. The point is player valuation is not some sort of objective measure, whereby you can say a striker has scored X goals and provided Y assists, so his worth is Z. It's all well and good saying Fletcher is not worth more than 8 million (and in a way that's probably true as you can get similar quality for around that mark), but there are always other, subjective considerations that determine what a player is worth to the buying or selling club. For Wolves, Fletcher may well be the difference to coming straight back up or staying in the Championship for the foreseeable, for Sunderland on the other hand, if they have no realistic alternative and considering the top bracket of players will not be interested in joining them unless they pay well over the odds in terms of fees and wages, he may be the difference between staying up or going down next season. With the money involved in the Premiership it's easy to see why a player valuation can become so distorted from a player's actual level of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What Kinnear said to the journos was 'an astonishing attack' ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He's the one that's been spouting the 'if someone wants one of our main men they are going to have to pay well above market rate' s*** He can't have it both ways You can when you are in a position of power, you cant when you are not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 He's the one that's been spouting the 'if someone wants one of our main men they are going to have to pay well above market rate' s*** He can't have it both ways You can when you are in a position of power, you cant when you are not. Who is not in a position of power if I may ask? Wolves with Fletcher, Lille with Debuchy, or is your comment just philosophical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Anyone going to the AP & JC talk-in tonight?... Hopefully we'll get a better idea where we're at with transfers and playing style etc... He won't say out about transfers like. What time is it on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Anyone going to the AP & JC talk-in tonight?... Hopefully we'll get a better idea where we're at with transfers and playing style etc... He won't say out about transfers like. What time is it on? He's been very candid in previous talk-ins so if someone was to push him on the Debuchy issue I believe he will shed more light on it than previously... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What else is there to know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Anyone know what time it is on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What else is there to know? If we fail to get Debuchy is the plan to fill the RB position externally or internally for a start whilst trying to clarify if Santon is to remain on the left due to quotes from the player saying otherwise... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Anyone know what time it is on? From 7, but not sure there are many/any tickets left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What else is there to know? If we fail to get Debuchy is the plan to fill the RB position externally or internally for a start whilst trying to clarify if Santon is to remain on the left due to quotes from the player saying otherwise... I'll try and pipe up and ask that I was at the Whitley Bay FC talk in May 2011 and you had to write your questions and they picked the best ones...so i'm not too hopeful mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Anyone know what time it is on? From 7, but not sure there are many/any tickets left. Cheers, is it not on the radio anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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