ponsaelius Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 At the very most I'd take him on loan again for a season with an agreed fee. Right now I wouldn't be willing to pay a fee for him and give him a long-term contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 So players peak at 22 now? Are they over the hill at 28? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 So players peak at 22 now? Are they over the hill at 28? We have 2 players roughly at that age who were once able to play CM effectively, but no longer can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Honestly man, the lad has had a shit year at 24 due to a couple of reasons and people won't even take him at £2m At the very worst he'll be a solid midfielder, at his very best he'll be one of the best midfielders in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Honestly man, the lad has had a shit year at 24 due to a couple of reasons and people won't even take him at £2m At the very worst he'll be a solid midfielder, at his very best he'll be one of the best midfielders in the league. Why wasn't he a solid midfielder for Villa then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Honestly man, the lad has had a s*** year at 24 due to a couple of reasons and people won't even take him at £2m At the very worst he'll be a solid midfielder, at his very best he'll be one of the best midfielders in the league. Why wasn't he a solid midfielder for Villa then? Because he wasn't played in his correct position for a start... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Honestly man, the lad has had a s*** year at 24 due to a couple of reasons and people won't even take him at £2m At the very worst he'll be a solid midfielder, at his very best he'll be one of the best midfielders in the league. Why wasn't he a solid midfielder for Villa then? Because he wasn't played in his correct position for a start... So even to get the worst out of him, he has to be played in a specific 'non-midfielder' position or there's no point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Because he wasn't played in his correct position for a start... What's his best position and would he play in his best position here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Honestly man, the lad has had a s*** year at 24 due to a couple of reasons and people won't even take him at £2m At the very worst he'll be a solid midfielder, at his very best he'll be one of the best midfielders in the league. Why wasn't he a solid midfielder for Villa then? Because he wasn't played in his correct position for a start... So even at his worst, he has to be played in a specific 'non-midfielder' position or there's no point. Are you pissed, Dave? He was played fairly deep alongside Petrov in a midfield 2 when he's an attacking midfielder who needs freedom. Would we play Tiote off the striker? Or Ben Arfa infront of our defence? Ner, because they would be shit. He was also coming into a club that had just lost it's manager and had a woeful first half of the season (the team and him). Using those dozen or so games against him is canny harsh like. I'm not sugesting he's right for us or anything like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 You have to wonder why Villa treated him so badly then, if it's so obvious that it wouldn't work. If we're talking about risk, signing a player that only does well given a prolonged run in a single, specific position where we already have at least one superior player doesn't really stack up, whatever the fee. Then there's his mental state, being out on the piss, the injuries etc. If he's so good/such a small risk, why hasn't anyone else snapped him up yet at just £2m? The Nolan argument, if you will. I just don't see the point in signing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The Ben Arfa argument aswel, another player who no body else seemingly wanted to touch who we brought in for a cut price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The Ben Arfa argument aswel, another player who no body else seemingly wanted to touch who we brought in for a cut price. I thought one of the German clubs were interested in Ben Arfa just before we signed him on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I just don't see the point in signing him. Neither do I tbh as I cannot see him starting, however if we are showing an interest in him then clearly Pardew sees a role for him, and if he's wanting an attacking midfielder I doubt you'll get any better for £2m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The Ben Arfa argument aswel, another player who no body else seemingly wanted to touch who we brought in for a cut price. I thought one of the German clubs were interested in Ben Arfa just before we signed him on loan. Weder Bremen, aye, we don't exactly know that nobody is after Ireland though do we? I very much doubt theres not if the reported fees are correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Weder Bremen, aye, we don't exactly know that nobody is after Ireland though do we? I very much doubt theres not if the reported fees are correct. I never said that nobody was after Ireland, I guess that we'll see over the coming weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 He's obviously got on well enough with everyone and his attitude has been fine or we wouldn't be back in for him, the only thing i worry about is his fight when the going gets tough, never striked me as a player who will get his hands dirty when need be. We're losing those types and with Barton probably leaving we'll only really have Tiote in that mould. It's quite funny seeing the people moaning about this are the same ones who moan that the talent of the squad below the first team is poor. Ireland is exactly the type of player who adds something to the squad, is versatile and will get his fair share of games. If he comes in though, for me that means either Guthrie, Barton or Jonas are on their way out. Hopefully Guthrie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 He had some personal problems with a few of his teammates in the Ireland squad. He resolved these problems by telling his coaches that a member of his family had died and he had to go home for the funeral. That tells you a bit about his mentality when the going gets tough. Still, he'll be cheap though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 He's obviously got on well enough with everyone and his attitude has been fine or we wouldn't be back in for him, the only thing i worry about is his fight when the going gets tough, never striked me as a player who will get his hands dirty when need be. We're losing those types and with Barton probably leaving we'll only really have Tiote in that mould. It's quite funny seeing the people moaning about this are the same ones who moan that the talent of the squad below the first team is poor. Ireland is exactly the type of player who adds something to the squad, is versatile and will get his fair share of games. If he comes in though, for me that means either Guthrie, Barton or Jonas are on their way out. Hopefully Guthrie. I remember the game up here when Beye got sent-off and he was the only City player who seemed to give two shits and he got them the equaliser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Because he wasn't played in his correct position for a start... What's his best position and would he play in his best position here? Most advanced of a central three seemed to be his best role with Kompany the holding-midfielder (Tiote?) and Elano the playmaker (Cabaye?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 City fans that I work with say he was fantastic working with Robinho under Hughes. Mancini didn't fancy him and his confidence plummeted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 £2m for ireland is a good deal if he is actually fit now, especially when you consider he's only 24 and a 21 year old jordan henderson went for £20m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 £2m for ireland is a good deal if he is actually fit now, especially when you consider he's only 24 and a 21 year old jordan henderson went for £20m And O'Hara who is as run-of-the-mill a Premier League midfielder as you're likely to get has just cost £5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I like how people are dismissing him as merely a UEFA cup player when if we somehow got into the UEFA cup this year that would represent a monumental achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Imagine if we'd given up on Bellamy after an injury hit season with Norwich before a rubbish season at Coventry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 £2m for ireland is a good deal if he is actually fit now, especially when you consider he's only 24 and a 21 year old jordan henderson went for £20m And O'Hara who is as run-of-the-mill a Premier League midfielder as you're likely to get has just cost £5m. wages, wages, wages though with ireland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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