Wullie Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I really don't understand the "last year of his contract" argument. Why should that affect what we're willing to pay for him in the slightest? Of course it should, and usually does. Do you reckon we'll get Enrique's true worth with him wanting to leave and only having one year left? I never said it wouldn't affect what the selling club might get for him, I said it shouldn't affect what the buying club are willing to pay for him. There's a very crucial difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Wullie's right like. Especially in Zoggy's case. We should just throw the money at them and get him tied down to a contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 That's nonsense tbh. And that point is only valid if: a) you don't need him for the coming season and b) there is absolutely zero chance of him going elsewhere at any point in the next twelve months. Neither of those things are true. The point is the selling club risk getting nothing in 12 months - whoever is the buyer - so their position is weaker with 12 months to go on a contract. In the case of the Zog Wigan can only play hardball if they are sure they can sell in this or the next window. Zog can play hardball on his £65k pw as he knows this is what he could get in 12 months. NUFC don't want to play a regular transfer fee and an out of contract salary. Who blinks first........not MA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Wullie's right like. Especially in Zoggy's case. We should just throw the money at them and get him tied down to a contract. Aye if it was up to me I'd sign Ashley's cheque yesterday and get it done, the odd million here or there - what difference does it make? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I really don't understand the "last year of his contract" argument. Why should that affect what we're willing to pay for him in the slightest? Of course it should, and usually does. Do you reckon we'll get Enrique's true worth with him wanting to leave and only having one year left? I never said it wouldn't affect what the selling club might get for him, I said it shouldn't affect what the buying club are willing to pay for him. There's a very crucial difference. If your Man City or Chelsea maybe. But any club that's actually trying to get value for money will see a pretty big connection between what the selling club should be able to get for a player and what they're prepared to pay. I understand what your saying, if we need the player we should just pay whatever and get him in, and that sounds great, but at the risk of starting a nasty discussion, this isn't Freddy Shepherd land anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Wullie's right like. Especially in Zoggy's case. We should just throw the money at them and get him tied down to a contract. Aye if it was up to me I'd sign Ashley's cheque yesterday and get it done, the odd million here or there - what difference does it make? None when you're buying a quality player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Recoba Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog fucked him about last time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I really don't understand the "last year of his contract" argument. Why should that affect what we're willing to pay for him in the slightest? Of course it should, and usually does. Do you reckon we'll get Enrique's true worth with him wanting to leave and only having one year left? I never said it wouldn't affect what the selling club might get for him, I said it shouldn't affect what the buying club are willing to pay for him. There's a very crucial difference. If your Man City or Chelsea maybe. But any club that's actually trying to get value for money will see a pretty big connection between what the selling club should be able to get for a player and what they're prepared to pay. I understand what your saying, if we need the player we should just pay whatever and get him in, and that sounds great, but at the risk of starting a nasty discussion, this isn't Freddy Shepherd land anymore. No I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if we value the player at a certain amount but we're not going to pay that amount in this situation because of his contract, then that's ridiculous. If we value CN'Z at, let's say, £10m but we're not willing to pay £10m simply because we think his contract situation demands that we should pay less, running the risk of Wigan keeping him or somebody else taking him and us ending up with nobody/a lesser player then the situation is a no-brainer. If we simply don't value him at what Wigan say his price tag is, then that's a different issue and completely unrelated to his contract position. If it's a choice between doing the deal for £10m tomorrow and having him line up against sunderland or trying to save £2m by getting him on August 31st and run the risk of him lining up against us for them then sign the fucking cheque and hand it over tbh. We lost millions of pounds on the last day of the season due to one goal, the points that a player like N'Zogbia could get you in August alone could ultimately get you the money back. FWIW, if N'Zogbia was English, you'd be looking at £20m minimum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Recoba Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. I can if we seriously want him. Most clubs would try to use the contract situation to get a better price and if that's what we are doing we'll get him. At the moment no one is prepared to pay £12m, or even £9m from the top four. I'm not convinced we are serious about bringing him here though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Recoba Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. I can if we seriously want him. Most clubs would try to use the contract situation to get a better price and if that's what we are doing we'll get him. At the moment no one is prepared to pay £12m, or even £9m from the top four. I'm not convinced we are serious about bringing him here though. That's it. I don't think we are serious about any signing. We are happy to play the field and look for a bargain rather than go all out to sign a desired target. Would love to be wrong, still plenty of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i'll be surprised and delighted if we get him tbh, all the circumstances point towards him going elsewhere. imo we're so obsessed with getting value for money that paying what someone's actually worth isnt good enough when we can get another player for half their actual value because of a different set of circumstances. it's pretty ironic when you think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 No I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if we value the player at a certain amount but we're not going to pay that amount in this situation because of his contract, then that's ridiculous. FWIW, if N'Zogbia was English, you'd be looking at £20m minimum. I'd probably just pay the price IF I was in charge (or at least offer £11m ). But unlike past regimes I think the current board look at every signing as a business deal, so the players contract will have a definite effect on what they value that player at. Also I think £20m minimum is a bit of an exageration, Young just went for £16m and he's at least as good as Zog. Something else to consider is that nobody else has made a £12m bid for Zog yet. So if he's worth that and its just us not willing to pay what he's worth, then why hasn't he gone elsewhere? You might say because its only June, well its also only June for Newcastle United, we may yet make that bid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Apparently they had everything agreed when N'Zogbia asked for an extra £10k per week at the last minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Apparently they had everything agreed when N'Zogbia asked for an extra £10k per week at the last minute. That's their version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Apparently they had everything agreed when N'Zogbia asked for an extra £10k per week at the last minute. That's their version. Who's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Apparently they had everything agreed when N'Zogbia asked for an extra £10k per week at the last minute. That's their version. Who's? Brum's obviously. Who else would leak that sort of story? In any case all it proves is that Zog didn't want to go to Birmingham if it's true. I can well imagine him asking Sunderland to pay an extra 10k if they wanted to compete for the signature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Apparently they had everything agreed when N'Zogbia asked for an extra £10k per week at the last minute. That's their version. Who's? Brum's obviously. Who else would leak that sort of story? In any case all it proves is that Zog didn't want to go to Birmingham if it's true. I can well imagine him asking Sunderland to pay an extra 10k if they wanted to compete for the signature. Seems a probable story to me when you read the quotes from both sides. McLeish "We did everything that was asked of us and then the goalposts were moved at the last minute," said Birmingham manager Alex McLeish. "It was very important to us as a club to stick to our principals and look after the long-term interests of Birmingham City as we are custodians of the club. "We remain ambitious and committed to adding extra quality to the playing squad but this deal became one that was not in the interests of the club. "The Board worked with me extremely hard to try and get this one over the line and I thank them for their support." N'Zogbia "Now the transfer window has closed, we all have to try to forget about what has happened in the past,"N'Zogbia said. "I was close to going to Birmingham but, in the end, I just wasn't interested enough. "It wasn't the right club for me and I wanted to stay with Wigan. I'm fine now, happy with the situation, and just want to get back onto the field and play my football." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Just have a feeling he will end up at Villa. They will need quality and may want to make a statement after losing Young and likely Downing. Plus Mcleish tried to sign him before. I reckon Villa will pay the odds. Or perhaps McLeish won't bother after the way Zog f***ed him about last time? Not sure what happened with the failed Zog to Brum move. Don't trust Tue board there though. They have made moves for players, like Robbie Keane, who they had no intention of signing just to appear big time If Villa are prepared to offer top wedge to Wigan and Zog I can't see us matching their offer. Apparently they had everything agreed when N'Zogbia asked for an extra £10k per week at the last minute. That's their version. Who's? Brum's obviously. Who else would leak that sort of story? In any case all it proves is that Zog didn't want to go to Birmingham if it's true. I can well imagine him asking Sunderland to pay an extra 10k if they wanted to compete for the signature. Seems a probable story to me when you read the quotes from both sides. McLeish "We did everything that was asked of us and then the goalposts were moved at the last minute," said Birmingham manager Alex McLeish. "It was very important to us as a club to stick to our principals and look after the long-term interests of Birmingham City as we are custodians of the club. "We remain ambitious and committed to adding extra quality to the playing squad but this deal became one that was not in the interests of the club. "The Board worked with me extremely hard to try and get this one over the line and I thank them for their support." N'Zogbia "Now the transfer window has closed, we all have to try to forget about what has happened in the past,"N'Zogbia said. "I was close to going to Birmingham but, in the end, I just wasn't interested enough. "It wasn't the right club for me and I wanted to stay with Wigan. I'm fine now, happy with the situation, and just want to get back onto the field and play my football." That ties in what I just posted in the reply before yours. He clearly didn't want to go there. It's actually encouraging as sources close to him are putting the word out that he wants to come back here. So my hunch is he will end up here IF the club really do want him. Whether we will pay big money to bring in a new striker and Zog I have real doubts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 PSG bound ? translation please. http://www.topmercato.com/33342,1/l-om-l-ol-et-le-psg-accusent-le-coup-pour-n-zogbia.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 PSG bound ? translation please. http://www.topmercato.com/33342,1/l-om-l-ol-et-le-psg-accusent-le-coup-pour-n-zogbia.html Just says they won't get him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pont-toon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 PSG bound ? translation please. http://www.topmercato.com/33342,1/l-om-l-ol-et-le-psg-accusent-le-coup-pour-n-zogbia.html reports little chance of him going to ligue 1 and that his most likely destination is villa or liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 PSG bound ? translation please. http://www.topmercato.com/33342,1/l-om-l-ol-et-le-psg-accusent-le-coup-pour-n-zogbia.html Just says they won't get him. wont or dont want him ? any reasons given. damn my 1970's education as there is no cat on a table in that newspiece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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