Dinho lad Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Said and was blasted for it a couple of days ago but will say it again. Needs to be loaned out and put as far away from Shola as possible before his inevitable potential is lost and his transformation is complete. I even saw the Shola grin today when Sammy easily surrendered possession in the 80th minute! Blasted? Hardly. It was simply a disagreement. It's easy to come-in now and jump on a player's back after a poor performance, but I noticed that you failed to reply to my post after I gave a few examples to why Ameobi needs to stay here. (for the time being anyway.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Probably the least talented player I've seen for a while (at this level). Headless chicken. Incredibly harsh. This thread is like a bloody yo-yo. He has a great amount of skill as he has shown in glimpses. He just makes a lot of wrong decisions fueled by his natural naivety. Needs to learn his craft in league one or the championship, like many of our other fringe/youth players. Reserve football is no place to develop and a large part of why we havent seen as many youth players prosper as they should have done. That's the thing though he shows flashes of ability on the ball which - as we've seen before - gets mistaken for caged potential. It would take a monumental effort for him to reach even Obertan's level. It is a waste of time keeping him here until that is tested though. He won't be fairly judged until he is playing for someone else. But to be fair to your argument in the starts he has been given he should have shown more and taken his chances. He did look great in one European game but its another flash in comparison to his forgettable performances. Ferguson should be ahead of him every time. Travesty he wasn't starting today by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Needs a loan spell and first team football. The same goes with Mehdi and Shane. Sadly we haven't the depth for this and it's a shame b/c these are young kids with talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Probably the least talented player I've seen for a while (at this level). Headless chicken. Incredibly harsh. This thread is like a bloody yo-yo. He has a great amount of skill as he has shown in glimpses. He just makes a lot of wrong decisions fueled by his natural naivety. Needs to learn his craft in league one or the championship, like many of our other fringe/youth players. Reserve football is no place to develop and a large part of why we havent seen as many youth players prosper as they should have done. That's the thing though he shows flashes of ability on the ball which - as we've seen before - gets mistaken for caged potential. It would take a monumental effort for him to reach even Obertan's level. It is a waste of time keeping him here until that is tested though. He won't be fairly judged until he is playing for someone else. But to be fair to your argument in the starts he has been given he should have shown more and taken his chances. He did look great in one European game but its another flash in comparison to his forgettable performances. Ferguson should be ahead of him every time. Travesty he wasn't starting today by the way. Ferguson didn't do too well in his last start either. (Although, I agree he should be given more game time.) I don't particularly want Ameobi to start games, but he'd be useful come-on late to give us something different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Needs a loan if he is ever to realise his true calling of being the next Yaya Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Said and was blasted for it a couple of days ago but will say it again. Needs to be loaned out and put as far away from Shola as possible before his inevitable potential is lost and his transformation is complete. I even saw the Shola grin today when Sammy easily surrendered possession in the 80th minute! Blasted? Hardly. It was simply a disagreement. It's easy to come-in now and jump on a player's back after a poor performance, but I noticed that you failed to reply to my post after I gave a few examples to why Ameobi needs to stay here. (for the time being anyway.) It was easy to jump in then too, because he isn't good enough for us right now and keeping him here is hurting him more than helping him. Ferguson, Gutierrez, Obertan, Marveaux, Ben Arfa are all better options and ahead of him and if we sign another striker he will be further down the list. This isn't the environment for him to be sitting and waiting for 1 game in 5 for him to play some minutes in, just as 1 good game in 5 isn't a good enough argument to keep him here. It isn't doing him any favors with the fans either given the current situation. He should be out on loan and playing weekly away from the current mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Said and was blasted for it a couple of days ago but will say it again. Needs to be loaned out and put as far away from Shola as possible before his inevitable potential is lost and his transformation is complete. I even saw the Shola grin today when Sammy easily surrendered possession in the 80th minute! Blasted? Hardly. It was simply a disagreement. It's easy to come-in now and jump on a player's back after a poor performance, but I noticed that you failed to reply to my post after I gave a few examples to why Ameobi needs to stay here. (for the time being anyway.) It was easy to jump in then too, because he isn't good enough for us right now and keeping him here is hurting him more than helping him. Ferguson, Gutierrez, Obertan, Marveaux, Ben Arfa are all better options and ahead of him and if we sign another striker he will be further down the list. This isn't the environment for him to be sitting and waiting for 1 game in 5 for him to play some minutes in, just as 1 good game in 5 isn't a good enough argument to keep him here. It isn't doing him any favors with the fans either given the current situation. He should be out on loan and playing weekly away from the current mess. Ferguson is on the same level as Ameobi. Certainly not that much better. Jonas has been truly awful and should only play out-wide when necessary. Obertan is shit on the right but useful on the left. Marveaux has played his best football in the middle. Therefore Ameobi's presence to give us a bit of much needed depth is more important than sending him on loan. He can go on loan next season. How old is he? 18? 19? No harm if he stays here for this season. It's the likes of Abeid that should go out on loan. In the middle is where we have better options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Probably the least talented player I've seen for a while (at this level). Headless chicken. Incredibly harsh. This thread is like a bloody yo-yo. He has a great amount of skill as he has shown in glimpses. He just makes a lot of wrong decisions fueled by his natural naivety. Needs to learn his craft in league one or the championship, like many of our other fringe/youth players. Reserve football is no place to develop and a large part of why we havent seen as many youth players prosper as they should have done. That's the thing though he shows flashes of ability on the ball which - as we've seen before - gets mistaken for caged potential. It would take a monumental effort for him to reach even Obertan's level. It is a waste of time keeping him here until that is tested though. He won't be fairly judged until he is playing for someone else. But to be fair to your argument in the starts he has been given he should have shown more and taken his chances. He did look great in one European game but its another flash in comparison to his forgettable performances. Ferguson should be ahead of him every time. Travesty he wasn't starting today by the way. Ferguson didn't do too well in his last start either. (Although, I agree he should be given more game time.) I don't particularly want Ameobi to start games, but he'd be useful come-on late to give us something different. I don't think that really does him or us great favors though when he could get playing time elsewhere and a better chance to improve in a safer environment. Ideally we will get at least Remy or a similar striker in that will give him the chance to leave, although you are right in the fact we should at least wait until the end of the window to see where we stand before letting him go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Almost the whole youth underbelly should be going out.. Abeid, Ameobi, Campbell, Tavernier and Dummett, from that list only the latter two or three should be retained for squad depth imo. I don't think its a huge deal, just put a recall option in all of the loans. While he lacks a few of Ameobi's tricks and skills Ferguson is much better all round imo, he retains possession much better and uses his brain more effectively. He feels more like an established squad member to me (even though he isn't yet) like Bigi. Amalfitano could certainly use a loan too if we aren't going to give him any time to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 There are plenty of players who, at the age of 20 or earlier, are regularly playing first team football for top european teams. If he was going to be anything other than average he'd have shown it by now. I've no doubt his touch, movement, passing and intelligence will improve but not enough to make him even close to premier league standard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He's fucking shit, been saying it since he broke through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He's fucking shit, been saying it since he broke through. Well I'm sure you're delighted then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He needs to be loaned out, we can't be his learning curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Even if we had a real wonderkid we wouldn't play them until they were 21 and had stagnated badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I hate the way he runs at a player and doesn't try to pass it until he is a inch away, he loses the ball so many times like that it drives me mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He's a young lad who has been thrown into a struggling and confused team. Doesn't deserve the stick he's getting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I hate the way he runs at a player and doesn't try to pass it until he is a inch away, he loses the ball so many times like that it drives me mental. Yeah I do that, difference is I can get away with it because I'm playing against a bunch of fatties and nobody who's professional Kid needs a loan. We can't afford to lose players though. What a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He's always looking to go down at the earliest opportunity, I fucking hate that in footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 At 20 he will not suddenly become a top player. But I most say, especially seeing the first team, that it´s something terrible wrong with the coaching in our club when every player that comes up has the same problem. I´m sure that Sammy would at this stage would be a better player than he is if he would have been brought through at Manure, Arsenal etc. Sure better players around you make you better, but the quality at the developmental system is way more important, and that seems to be none existent. Sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 The lad does have talent and it does bother me that, if this generally negative reaction is typical, he'll start to lose confidence. Like many young players, he was trying to do too much himself, but he wasn't helped by the fact that not much was going on around him. He didn't really have much choice. The players that I would criticise are the ones who were running backwards to collect 10 yard passes from the back four and then just prodding it back. Sammy was always trying to turn and face the opposition and either run himself or play a forward pass into someone. Yes, you're going to lose the ball more often that way but the big problem of that team yesterday was a lack of confidence and initiative. Until the last 20 minutes, we were far too cautious and conservative and we shouldn't be laying into a player who showed some ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Just genuinely can't see him making it. Will get behind him when he gets on, but won't be screaming for Pardew to involve him either. Hope he proves me wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 For me he is just another Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Got talent, but get him out on loan as soon as possible to a Championship club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Ferguson is on the same level as Ameobi. Certainly not that much better. Cannot believe that is someone's - anyone's - genuine opinion. I have never seen anything from Ameobi that could possibly justify that belief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Ferguson is on the same level as Ameobi. Certainly not that much better. Cannot believe that is someone's - anyone's - genuine opinion. I have never seen anything from Ameobi that could possibly justify that belief. Him and Ferguson have had pretty much the same impact when called upon. Wouldn't say one is that much better than the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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