Tooj Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Wenger should buy him anyway especially with Song being linked to Barcelona. Even if song doesn't go a midfield trio of Song, M'Vila and Carzola would be absolutely quality. Then you also have Wilshere to come back from injury, a resurgent Rosicky and Ramsey there too. Still think he needs to buy another centre back though, despite Koscelny's improvements last season. Also feel he needs a left-back as Santos doesn't fill you with any confidence and I haven't seen much from Gibbs to suggest he's going to be the answer. It must be so frustrating being an Arsenal fan as the same lines get trotted out every single season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I'd be all over Llorente if I was AVB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I have no sympathy for Arsenal fans at all, it must be amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Tottenham, who by the way have bid €15m for M'Vila, according to L'Equipe. Hopefully it doesn't happen before Saturday. Would be madness to field him this Saturday if the transfer came through. Yeah i know, i'm just hoping for as weak as possible team from Spurs. As for Arsenal they are getting Sahin they don't need M'Vila. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Sahin and M'Vila are completely different players, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Sahin and M'Vila are completely different players, though. Exactly. For Arsenal's needs I go for M'Vila every single time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Sahin and M'Vila are completely different players, though. I know that, but Arsenal's needs are completely different though as well they don't need a big physical DM in thier system they need defensively solid CM's like Sahin that are complete in most area's of the pitch ala Arteta etc etc. I personally feel Arsenal's problems are not personnel but a system issue, when i watch them defensive cover and defensive positioning is the main reason they concede so many IMO. Take us for example defensively off the ball we give a lot of cover to our defence and everyone covers each others backs i don't see this at Arsenal and one of the main reasons i see Arsenal falling short. I also consider this a system issue and not a personnel issue, i don't think M'Vila would magically change anything. The only real position i consider "weak" is fullbacks, Sagna aside i think they are really poor, the reason CB's look fragile IMO is the cover the rest of the team give them not on actual ability. But again i don't think buying anyone would magically change that, they need to install better and effective pressing and off the ball defensive cover for the defense more than anything tbh. I don't want to use this example, but what's the difference between Barca and Arsenal defensively? it isnt because you have more physical players its because you are miles ahead in pressing and overall off the ball cover, that is Arsenal's main issue IMO not a lack of a destroyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Sahin and M'Vila are completely different players, though. I know that, but Arsenal's needs are completely different though as well they don't need a big physical DM in thier system they need defensively solid CM's like Sahin that are complete in most area's of the pitch ala Arteta etc etc. I personally feel Arsenal's problems are not personnel but a system issue, when i watch them defensive cover and defensive positioning is the main reason they concede so many IMO. Take us for example defensively off the ball we give a lot of cover to our defence and everyone covers each others backs i don't see this at Arsenal and one of the main reasons i see Arsenal falling short. I also consider this a system issue and not a personnel issue, i don't think M'Vila would magically change anything. The only real position i consider "weak" is fullbacks, Sagna aside i think they are really poor, the reason CB's look fragile IMO is the cover the rest of the team give them not on actual ability. But again i don't think buying anyone would magically change that, they need to install better and effective pressing and off the ball defensive cover for the defense more than anything tbh. I don't want to use this example, but what's the difference between Barca and Arsenal defensively? it isnt because you have more physical players its because you are miles ahead in pressing and overall off the ball cover, that is Arsenal's main issue IMO not a lack of a destroyer. Spot on. I was saying this on another forum the other day actually to a lot of Arsenal fans. What really lets them down is the amount of work or lack of it they put in when they don't have the ball. They just don't seem that 'bothered' about winning the ball back once they lose it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I didn't watch that much of Sahin outside of highlights before he joined, but defensively he's been terrible at Real Madrid. No pressing, mettle or strength to his game whatsoever. Even Mourinho was pretty open about pointing he needed to improve that. That said, he obviously had huge confidence issues and didn't see much of the pitch to get any kind of form going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 And Johnson. Oh yeah. I completely forgot he existed. You talking about Citeh's academy graduates here? In which case, wat http://soccerleaguenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/adam-johnson.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 They're obviously discussing Michael Johnson... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Tbf my opinion of Sahin was based on his performances for Dortmund, i hardly watched him for Madrid i think i only saw him play once actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 They're obviously discussing Michael Johnson... Ah, right, yeah, in which case I too had completely forgotten about his existence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Spurs dont need M'Vila at all and they should probably be in for Llorente. Be well jealous of them though, even if that leaves Remy for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Duncan Castles reckons M'Vila is the replacement for Modric apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Duncan Castles reckons M'Vila is the replacement for Modric apparently Yeah because they're such similar players. Duncan's off his rocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There is no replacement for Modric. There are less than five people who can play in his position at his level and they're at bigger clubs on bigger wages. Will be interesting to see how Tottenham cope with him going Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There is no replacement for Modric. There are less than five people who can play in his position at his level and they're at bigger clubs on bigger wages. Will be interesting to see how Tottenham cope with him going Front 6? M'Vila Parker Sigurdsson Bale Van Der Vaart Adebayor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Adebayor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Adebayor? Should be getting him back soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There is no replacement for Modric. There are less than five people who can play in his position at his level and they're at bigger clubs on bigger wages. Will be interesting to see how Tottenham cope with him going Front 6? M'Vila Parker Sigurdsson Bale Van Der Vaart Adebayor Would be strong defensively and Bale would be fine. Don't know about Sigurdsson on the right, does he normally play wings? I always think of him as in behind the strikers, a bit further back than where they play Van der Vaart. I don't see who's controlling their passing tempo and spraying it about in that team though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 David Ornstein @bbcsport_david Spoken to M'Vila camp, who say he'd only leave Rennes for a club in Champions League & currently no interest from CL clubs in England #thfc 6:01 PM - 13 Aug 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Put Sigurdsson on the bench, and start Lennon. The side looks much better. Neither Parker nor M'Vila are pure holding players or destroyers who just sit back anyway. Both of them like to advance into higher positions when the opportunity presents itself. I hope we don't sell Remy to them. They'd be just a strong as before if they get him. The strikers have been lacking for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Liam Lawrence to PAOK Solonika, fair play to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I'm very impressed with West Ham getting Alou Diarra btw. A Diarra-Diame midfield sounds great, they'll comfortably stay up this year. Off-topic, Diarra was horrendous last season. He's on the decline and high wages as well. OM supporters are literally filled with glee at his departure. He didn't even seem to be trying most of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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