ChezGiven Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****. Yeah, that's complete and utter s***. If a player stands out notably in an area of their game, which they are expected to contribute greatly to and that is backed up by statistics then they have done a good job. Good example was Ameobi's cameo a few games back when he got slated by almost everybody. Then a quick check after the game on his passing showed just how well he'd both retained the ball and moved us up the pitch. People are just missing depth and context. Good statistic use is good. But Ameobi's passing statistics from that game didn't reflect anything or prove that he moved us up the pitch at all. It's just data and without being combined with context from the actual game it means fuck all. Like that article I posted explains, not all completed passes are good passes and similarly not all 'completed' tackles are good tackles. Without context, stats in football are meaningless. The game is simply too fluid with too many permutations. If that was strictly true, then games like FIFA 12 would not be realistic. Based on stats, algorithms and maths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 They aren't realistic though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Are they not? I wouldnt know but i was assuming that the Rooney character is really good and Ryan Taylor one isnt very good. Based on maths i would assume too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I keep thinking I cant love him any more, then another article turns up I think he's already my favourite NUFC player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 wouldn Are they not? I wouldnt know but i was assuming that the Rooney character is really good and Ryan Taylor one isnt very good. Based on maths i would assume too. you don't need stats to know that, however i'll bet raylor stats at left back are up there with most other left backs this season and i'll wager nolan's stats were great for last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 But, with seven French speaking players in his squad, Alan Pardew has actually banned them speaking the language around the training ground. If he hears a word of it on the pitches, in the dressing room, round the canteen or even from the table tennis room, the players are fined. Glad we've had a good start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Curls Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hes been included on personalised nufc fifa 12 cover along with hatem and cheik. Hats off to you EA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 wouldn Are they not? I wouldnt know but i was assuming that the Rooney character is really good and Ryan Taylor one isnt very good. Based on maths i would assume too. you don't need stats to know that, however i'll bet raylor stats at left back are up there with most other left backs this season and i'll wager nolan's stats were great for last year. I'm not really invested into the argument either way but the only way a machine can accurately reflect the quality of a player is through numbers, so they do have some role. Sewelly is right to be sceptical of them but i disagree that they can only be used to support a commonly held view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 wouldn Are they not? I wouldnt know but i was assuming that the Rooney character is really good and Ryan Taylor one isnt very good. Based on maths i would assume too. you don't need stats to know that, however i'll bet raylor stats at left back are up there with most other left backs this season and i'll wager nolan's stats were great for last year. I'm not really invested into the argument either way but the only way a machine can accurately reflect the quality of a player is through numbers, so they do have some role. Sewelly is right to be sceptical of them but i disagree that they can only be used to support a commonly held view. The stats can confirm if you're pass was successful or not and also which direction it went it. They can't tell you if there were better options, how long the player held onto the ball for and so slowed up play, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hes been included on personalised nufc fifa 12 cover along with hatem and cheik. Hats off to you EA I have that cover. It's majestic. Link here - http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hes been included on personalised nufc fifa 12 cover along with hatem and cheik. Hats off to you EA I have that cover. It's majestic. Link here - http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-newcastle Best Fifa cover ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Hes been included on personalised nufc fifa 12 cover along with hatem and cheik. Hats off to you EA I have that cover. It's majestic. Link here - http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-newcastle Best Fifa cover ever Mate has got that cover like, proper jealous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314904_10150827115205371_558700370_20539655_1817992239_n.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Will score today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314904_10150827115205371_558700370_20539655_1817992239_n.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Santon and Shola always crack me up on that picture like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Another assured performance on the whole, however I felt part of the reason behind the second half performance was how deep he was dropping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I feel like Pardew tends to over-use his ability to be a covering midfielder and asks him to drop deep when we need protecting. He's certainly capable of doing it but it's a waste of his talents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertCommunicator Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I feel like Pardew tends to over-use his ability to be a covering midfielder and asks him to drop deep when we need protecting. He's certainly capable of doing it but it's a waste of his talents. If he can do it, then it's incredibly useful for us. Play in the middle as a distributing midfielder when we need goalsand then join Tiote in breaking up the opposition when we need to kill the game. It might not be the best use of him, but there's a time and a place to make the game flow freely and there's a time to break things up and slow it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Unbelievable how much Shola suits that look being honest Shola fits into anything when photoshopped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Hes been included on personalised nufc fifa 12 cover along with hatem and cheik. Hats off to you EA I have that cover. It's majestic. Link here - http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-newcastle Best Fifa cover ever Mate has got that cover like, proper jealous. http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-sunderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Hes been included on personalised nufc fifa 12 cover along with hatem and cheik. Hats off to you EA I have that cover. It's majestic. Link here - http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-newcastle Best Fifa cover ever Mate has got that cover like, proper jealous. http://www.ea.com/uk/football/1/fifa12-club-pack-sunderland Was expecting it to be an awful cover, actually burst out laughing when I clicked the link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
traeir Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Him and Krul are in the Sky's team of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Looked quiet on Football First's highlights, unlike the dreadful Birtles though who seems despise all things NUFC, Trevor Francis was quite keen on him. Think he is also a big fan of the Dreamboat, was constantly singing his praises. Really looking forward to the Spurs match, going to be a class midfield battle, Cheik looks back to his best as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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