Cronky Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I wouldn't agree with everything Little Lunch Box has said, but the basic point is valid. Wenger wants a striker with pace, movement and technique. Ba's chief asset is his strength, and he's just not what Arsenal are looking for. Having said that, Wenger is still left with a problem, because I suspect the kind of striker that Wenger wants is out of reach, given Arsenal's limited budget. Early days, but I don't think Giroud is the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Whatever you say about his attitude, adaptability to formations, allround game etc; 30 goals in 55 Prem appearances since he came over from Germany Aside from his contract posturing he's been one of our best ever buys IMO given the relative lack of cost attached. Can't fault him at all on-field, and really that's only where it matters. I'll be pretty fucked off if we bin him in Jan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It is true. Demba Bas linkup play isn't that good, movement is good though, and he knows how to create a chance for himself. But he is really ballhappy player who thrives on scoring goals, and hardly on making them as we've seen. Papiss seems like the exact same guy, with little less trickery in the coffin but maybe an ounce more of other stuff. There is a reason why both of them play alot better when Shola is on the field, as the one or the other can do what they like best, play as that last man, the main man who's supposed to score goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Best striker signing since Bellamy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Would be gutted if we sold Demba, he's indispensable to us at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba Ba is a class player, our problem is that he wasn't managed into the left of a front 3, he was just pushed into the position. He was as good when playing in that position as he was when played centrally, he just didn't have the luck. He should have been told that he was playing brilliantly to keep his confidence up because he was playing brilliantly without getting the goals his game deserved. Ba is clearly a player who needs confidence like most forwards and he seemed short on that at the end of last season. Anybody who thinks we'd easily replace him is mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba Ba is a class player, our problem is that he wasn't managed into the left of a front 3, he was just pushed into the position. He was as good when playing in that position as he was when played centrally, he just didn't have the luck. He should have been told that he was playing brilliantly to keep his confidence up because he was playing brilliantly without getting the goals his game deserved. Ba is clearly a player who needs confidence like most forwards and he seemed short on that at the end of last season. Anybody who thinks we'd easily replace him is mad. How do you know that he wasn't? I just don't think he liked playing there period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Best striker signing since Bellamy? http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/pa/2007/06/pa51742_175x175.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba Ba is a class player, our problem is that he wasn't managed into the left of a front 3, he was just pushed into the position. He was as good when playing in that position as he was when played centrally, he just didn't have the luck. He should have been told that he was playing brilliantly to keep his confidence up because he was playing brilliantly without getting the goals his game deserved. Ba is clearly a player who needs confidence like most forwards and he seemed short on that at the end of last season. Anybody who thinks we'd easily replace him is mad. How do you know that he wasn't? I just don't think he liked playing there period. I didn't see any proof of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's just your anti-Pardew agenda eeking through again. Don't over-think it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1206725/demba-ba-may-miss-liverpool-match?cc=5739 Not much new there tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba was playing absolutley fine on the left for the first 6 or 7 games. It simply wasnt a problem he wasnt scoring. I just think he doesnt want to play there and has obviously made that clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba and Cisse need to be able to play together. As a team we need to be able to say we have two strikers who will both score. Both can contribute in the same game and defenders have 2 world class strikers to contain when playing us. This obviously needs to be balanced with the likes of getting the best from HBA, Cabaye, Tiote etc. I can see why Pardew wants this 442 to click at times, if we have Ba and Cisse scoring together in a partnership we needn't worry about what formation we play. Ultimately I think I'm starting to think we need to be working towards more of a diamond 442, with Ben Arfa behind the front 2, Cabaye and whoever linking defence and attack, and feeding some attacking fullbacks down the wings with Cheick sitting. Only thing missing for me is a RB that can do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ba Cisse HBA Jonas Cabaye Tiote Santon Colo Saylor Anita Krul That could work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I would argue it's back to front but you are from Australia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ba Cisse HBA Jonas Cabaye Tiote Santon Colo Saylor Anita Krul That could work? Its what I have been saying for ages, it put Benny central where he has freedom to create in a lot more space and means Ba & Cisse are also not pushed out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ba Cisse HBA Jonas Cabaye Tiote Santon Colo Saylor Anita Krul That could work? I don't see why not. Edit: Fenham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ba Cisse HBA Jonas Cabaye Tiote Santon Colo Saylor Anita Krul That could work? Yeah, it could. It's not been even hinted at being tried, so i doubt we'll ever see it. Would like to see a new RB to be the main proponent, Anita could cover that position obviously. Then Santon left, with Ferguson being the cover. We should be in this position already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 TBF we could and are playing many different formations with different permutations and we could keep on doing so, none of them are going to work well unless the tempo of our game picks up dramatically along with the movement and speed of passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 TBF we could and are playing many different formations with different permutations and we could keep on doing so, none of them are going to work well unless the tempo of our game picks up dramatically along with the movement and speed of passing. Yeah i agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think our passing is limited by who is making the runs forward to pass to. Ferguson and Ba are the only ones making any runs really. If everyone stands in a line passing slows down. We don't run in to fucking space any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 TBF we could and are playing many different formations with different permutations and we could keep on doing so, none of them are going to work well unless the tempo of our game picks up dramatically along with the movement and speed of passing. Finding a formation that plays to our players strengths would allow us to play with better tempo and movement. I think they work hand in hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 TBF we could and are playing many different formations with different permutations and we could keep on doing so, none of them are going to work well unless the tempo of our game picks up dramatically along with the movement and speed of passing. yep, and those are things that don't happen overnight - they have to be relentlessly worked on during training so that it comes natural to players in the game. Pardew's been here long enough, and purchased enough players, that time is no longer an excuse for us to not have done this already - either he's not prepared to do this work in training (as it would mean giving up precious hours preparing our defence) or he simply doesn't know how to achieve it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Feel like I should clarify what I've said about Ba. I DON'T want to see him sold, and certainly don't think he'd be easily replaced. I just don't think it'd necessarily be a crushing blow if the replacement was really considered and used as a method of getting us into the 4-3-3 regularly, which is surely the way forward for this team. I fucking love Demba Ba though, don't get me wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 We have two top class strikers with fabulous goal scoring records, the job of the manager is to find a system that allows them to both flourish. Pardew has not done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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