Demba Ba (now retired)

[Dave]

'the news'

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

NUFC no longer put goal bonuses into contracts which is fair enough I think. Ba's job is to score goals. Why pay him extra for doing his job?

 

Think you've missed the point?

 

The debate is on the news that he is on £40k and he says he wants £80k. My point is if he wants more money, keep him on £40k and give him a decent sum of money per goal so if he churns in 30 in the league he would end up making the extra £2m a year from the goal bonus haul.

 

By giving him the extra £2m a year in his contract automatically he could have a shitter and score 0 goals and get paid the higher amount of contributing nothing.

I understand what you are saying but if NUFC put a goal bonus clause in Ba's contract the rest of the team would start wanting bonuses.

[loki679]

Tell him to do one.  He's been with us one season in which he scored 16 goals, 1 goal every 2.125 games.  Doubts over his fitness and entourage along with a seemingly arseholeish entourage.  £40k is more than enough for him, if he doesn't like it, get rid and get someone else.

[Dr Venkman]

He's already reluctant to do a job for the team, putting him on a goal bonus will make that situation worse.

 

Why? will it make him ball greedy? attempt to shoot in all areas and situations to try and earn more cash?

 

He already does that to be fair, it'll get worse, amongst other things.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

NUFC no longer put goal bonuses into contracts which is fair enough I think. Ba's job is to score goals. Why pay him extra for doing his job?

 

Think you've missed the point?

 

The debate is on the news that he is on £40k and he says he wants £80k. My point is if he wants more money, keep him on £40k and give him a decent sum of money per goal so if he churns in 30 in the league he would end up making the extra £2m a year from the goal bonus haul.

 

By giving him the extra £2m a year in his contract automatically he could have a shitter and score 0 goals and get paid the higher amount of contributing nothing.

I understand what you are saying but if NUFC put a goal bonus clause in Ba's contract the rest of the team would start wanting bonuses.

 

Why would they? Just because it's in lieu of a double your money pay rise?

 

Wouldn't the team all ask for double your money pay rises if he got that?

 

I think not.

Of course they would. It's the thin end of the wedge. You can't give bonuses to one player but not others. If Cisse scores a goal he doesn't get a bonus but when Ba does Ba gets a bonus? It would lead to trouble in the squad. For example, Krul and the defence would all want a bonus for clean sheets. Better to give no player a bonus than to give one player a bonus.

 

If Ba wants to leave he will go. There seems to be a lot of stories about Ba moving clubs every time a transfer window approaches.

[Ikon]

Likely to leave unfortunately, whatever the wages/rumours. Im concerned about our need for another attacker, cause if Ba leaves we need to sign 2 forwards and it aint gonna happen im afraid.

[Cajun]

I don't mind a debate but I do get frustrated when some seem to turn on a player due to something written by someone they think is a twat.

 

As someone pointed out, in the very same article the 'author' contradicted himself so imo it's as worth debating as me claiming Tim Krul wants to leave because he has decided he wants the stadium to be called the Tim Krul Arena.

 

"If he wants that he can go fuck himself".

[Mole_Toonfan]

As it stands no one in this squad is worth 90k if its true then hes going to leave whether it's in the summer or Jan i can't see us entertaining the idea of paying him anywhere near 90k.

 

Not to mention with that clause hanging over our heads, he's a great finisher but i don't see a long term future for him if all this is true.

 

Especially with the way this board is, there's no way hes getting anywhere near that and honestly rightfully so.

 

Probably rubbish anyway but if it is true then i don't see him being at the club the start of next season.

 

[taxfree]

I don't mind a debate but I do get frustrated when some seem to turn on a player due to something written by someone they think is a t***.

 

As someone pointed out, in the very same article the 'author' contradicted himself so imo it's as worth debating as me claiming Tim Krul wants to leave because he has decided he wants the stadium to be called the Tim Krul Arena.

 

"If he wants that he can go f*** himself".

 

Come on, man

[Cajun]

I don't mind a debate but I do get frustrated when some seem to turn on a player due to something written by someone they think is a t***.

 

As someone pointed out, in the very same article the 'author' contradicted himself so imo it's as worth debating as me claiming Tim Krul wants to leave because he has decided he wants the stadium to be called the Tim Krul Arena.

 

"If he wants that he can go f*** himself".

 

Come on, man

 

Sorry I get a little carried away

[Mole_Toonfan]

Is the clause active in January? or is it just the summer transfer window?

 

Pardew said it is.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

NUFC no longer put goal bonuses into contracts which is fair enough I think. Ba's job is to score goals. Why pay him extra for doing his job?

 

Think you've missed the point?

 

The debate is on the news that he is on £40k and he says he wants £80k. My point is if he wants more money, keep him on £40k and give him a decent sum of money per goal so if he churns in 30 in the league he would end up making the extra £2m a year from the goal bonus haul.

 

By giving him the extra £2m a year in his contract automatically he could have a shitter and score 0 goals and get paid the higher amount of contributing nothing.

I understand what you are saying but if NUFC put a goal bonus clause in Ba's contract the rest of the team would start wanting bonuses.

 

Why would they? Just because it's in lieu of a double your money pay rise?

 

Wouldn't the team all ask for double your money pay rises if he got that?

 

I think not.

Of course they would. It's the thin end of the wedge. You can't give bonuses to one player but not others. If Cisse scores a goal he doesn't get a bonus but when Ba does Ba gets a bonus? It would lead to trouble in the squad. For example, Krul and the defence would all want a bonus for clean sheets. Better to give no player a bonus than to give one player a bonus.

 

If Ba wants to leave he will go. There seems to be a lot of stories about Ba moving clubs every time a transfer window approaches.

 

All players earn vastly different amounts of money at the club. I just don't get why automatically doubling Ba's wages is more favorable to the rest of the team than to say to Ba you can have that extra money but only through bonuses.

 

Surely giving someone double their money for nothing is worse for the rest of the players than to say you can have that money but only if you hit this target criteria?

I'm sure if Ba's wages were doubled a lot of players would be demanding pay rises too. One of the reasons for ending goal bonuses given by Lambias was he said Martins used to shoot from the half way line.

[loki679]

NUFC no longer put goal bonuses into contracts which is fair enough I think. Ba's job is to score goals. Why pay him extra for doing his job?

 

Think you've missed the point?

 

The debate is on the news that he is on £40k and he says he wants £80k. My point is if he wants more money, keep him on £40k and give him a decent sum of money per goal so if he churns in 30 in the league he would end up making the extra £2m a year from the goal bonus haul.

 

By giving him the extra £2m a year in his contract automatically he could have a shitter and score 0 goals and get paid the higher amount of contributing nothing.

I understand what you are saying but if NUFC put a goal bonus clause in Ba's contract the rest of the team would start wanting bonuses.

 

Why would they? Just because it's in lieu of a double your money pay rise?

 

Wouldn't the team all ask for double your money pay rises if he got that?

 

I think not.

Of course they would. It's the thin end of the wedge. You can't give bonuses to one player but not others. If Cisse scores a goal he doesn't get a bonus but when Ba does Ba gets a bonus? It would lead to trouble in the squad. For example, Krul and the defence would all want a bonus for clean sheets. Better to give no player a bonus than to give one player a bonus.

 

If Ba wants to leave he will go. There seems to be a lot of stories about Ba moving clubs every time a transfer window approaches.

 

All players earn vastly different amounts of money at the club. I just don't get why automatically doubling Ba's wages is more favorable to the rest of the team than to say to Ba you can have that extra money but only through bonuses.

 

Surely giving someone double their money for nothing is worse for the rest of the players than to say you can have that money but only if you hit this target criteria?

I'm sure if Ba's wages were doubled a lot of players would be demanding pay rises too. One of the reasons for ending goal bonuses given by Lambias was he said Martins used to shoot from the half way line.

 

Aye but tbf you couldn't expect him to run all the way to goal at his age.

[Jack Flash]

Negativity = Believability, as always

[loki679]

Which other clubs would give him £90k a week?  The only one I can think of is Lolerpool.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Negativity = Believability, as always

 

Don't believe it, just humoring the article for discussion.

[Cajun]

Bet Darren Bent is on close to that. QPR would pay it.

[Jack Flash]

Negativity = Believability, as always

 

Don't believe it, just humoring the article for discussion.

 

Exactly, unless I've missed a forum rule saying nothing but pure facts are up for discussion.

 

 

Alan Oliver articles are not worthy of discussion. Unless they're negative.

[Sean]

I'm getting sick of the speculation surrounding him every transfer window tbh.

[LRD]

His contract ends next summer. That along with the release clause means it's pretty much in his court. Can see his agent(s) making the best out of the situation.

[Ikon]

I'm getting sick of the speculation surrounding him every transfer window tbh.

[Fenham Mag]

I would love us to be in a position to offer those sort of wages.

 

Whether I believe he is worth it is another matter.

[Jack Flash]

Colo is supposed to be on huge wages and we've just given him a new contract so I'd say we're somewhat flexible in the right situations, with Simpson being the contrast.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Colo is supposed to be on huge wages and we've just given him a new contract so I'd say we're somewhat flexible in the right situations, with Simpson being the contrast.

 

Colos a rolls Royce

 

Great character, rarely injured, consistent

 

Ba is a far greater risk!

[Dokko]

Forget £90k, he'll not get that here, but say we negotiate £65k or around that area, is he worth it? Or is it worth putting that £7m towards a player who is more comfortable and willing to play the support striker role and get the best out of Cisse?

 

I wouldn't be that bothered losing him if he were replaced like this, but I doubt the boards commitment to invest a big fee for a like for like quality player, and I doubt the managers intention of playing that 433/451 that played a huge part in getting us 5th last season. More than likely we will sell him, and any replacement that does come in will be a big man Pardew can get his players to lump the ball to; queue more talk of Carroll's return in some capacity (which will probably not happen due to being priced out of a move - though his no goals & 2 injuries for wham certainly help lower the price)