Dr Venkman Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think it's worth mentioning in this thread that Cisse played tonight, wide in a front 3. Got his head down, did his job and scored a goal as well. Good character that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think it's worth mentioning in this thread that Cisse played tonight, wide in a front 3. Got his head down, did his job and scored a goal as well. Good character that. Bit needless tbh, Ba put in good shifts on the wing for half the season despite being exceptional in the centre carrying us at times with his goals. Might be a better comparison if Cisse had to do it for more than one game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think it's worth mentioning in this thread that Cisse played tonight, wide in a front 3. Got his head down, did his job and scored a goal as well. Good character that. Bit needless tbh, Ba put in good shifts on the wing for half the season despite being exceptional in the centre carrying us at times with his goals. Might be a better comparison if Cisse had to do it for more than one game. Agree with the first bit. Cisse has done it for more than one game, they were inter changing quite a lot in the front 3 last season. Cisse was doing a lot of defending in the left back position too in certain games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Cisse and Ba seem like different characters and on top of the difficulties of getting a partnership of two number 9s going, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some personal tension there - particularly given Ba's open wish to play down the centre. I'm going to get some flak here, but Cisse looks a more relaxed and uninhibited player now when Ba isn't there, and that can rub off on the team as a whole. Ba seems quite an assertive character and sometimes a team pays a price for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cronky Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 I would argue that Drogba would have scored more goals than Torres in the current chelsea team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. thats not whats going on here, its just a mere dip in form which cisse is coming out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Mainstream ? its a new'ish partnership really in changing formations.. I have 100% faith that these two can & will forge a formidable partnership that will terrorise defences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. Bad example. If Drogba was 27 they wouldn't have Fernando Tores. Furthermore, the previous team was built for Drogba and this team Torres.If a manager got the most out of Drogba, Chelsea won trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. The biggest problem is the team hasn't been playing well and we've not been creating enough varied chances. No more complicated than that IMO. This personal tension bullshit is the kind of thing I'd expect the mackems to invent tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. The biggest problem is the team hasn't been playing well and we've not been creating enough varied chances. No more complicated than that IMO. This personal tension bullshit is the kind of thing I'd expect the mackems to invent tbh. Agree with this Although I do think the Dembas have been occupying the same space rather frequently for the little service they have received. I'd hope Pardew is slowly addressing this, and telling one to come to the near post occasionally. I actually think Demba works well centrally, but a little deeper. 4-4-1-1 would be good IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. The biggest problem is the team hasn't been playing well and we've not been creating enough varied chances. No more complicated than that IMO. This personal tension bullshit is the kind of thing I'd expect the mackems to invent tbh. Agree with this Although I do think the Dembas have been occupying the same space rather frequently for the little service they have received. I'd hope Pardew is slowly addressing this, and telling one to come to the near post occasionally. I actually think Demba works well centrally, but a little deeper. 4-4-1-1 would be good IMO. I think that playing Cisse on the right the other night was a good idea, hopefully we're trying to get him working the channels a bit more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 I don't have confidence that this partnership will ever take off. Largely because I can't see Ba at the club long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Tbf, Ba got a lot more to do in the linkup play then Cisse has, and wether he likes it or not he should play the more withdrawn striker role. Just to get them to work better together. Even in an withdrawn role he could easily score 15-20 goals a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Why shouldnt Cisse play off Ba? Theyve been equally efficient as the lead striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 He's Ba-rilliant. Fancy him to bag another brace today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Why shouldnt Cisse play off Ba? Theyve been equally efficient as the lead striker. I would say because Ba is more suited to the role. Cisse plays better up front leading the line, getting in the box whereas Ba has the ability to drop deeper and still create chances and score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Cisse and Ba seem like different characters and on top of the difficulties of getting a partnership of two number 9s going, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some personal tension there - particularly given Ba's open wish to play down the centre. I'm going to get some flak here, but Cisse looks a more relaxed and uninhibited player now when Ba isn't there, and that can rub off on the team as a whole. Ba seems quite an assertive character and sometimes a team pays a price for that. And surrounded by disruptive influences too, namely his agent (Gontran) and his brother (who went on the attack via Twitter, after starting on the bench at Everton). Too many parties have a vested financial interest, in the short-term, courtesy of the 7m release clause while the window is still open. And he has been a frequent flyer in the transfer market, in a short of space of time. And i think this down to the influence of the aformentioned additional parties, similar to the effect the Anelka brothers had on N.Anelka - they just filled the lads head with so much destabilising shit (particularly early in his career). Now, agent Alex Gontran has informed the world that his his client 'does not understand the management' of Newcastle. 'Since returning from the Africa Cup of Nations, Demba doesn't understand the management,' said Gontran. 'If he continues to be a substitute all season, we'll look at other solutions. 'How could you put your best striker with full confidence on the left wing? 'The choice to put Demba on the left last season was good for the club, because Cisse scored 13 goals. 'But there was a lack of recognition for Demba. It is more difficult to play well when you don't have the confidence of your staff. There would have been some sort of warning from the gaffer, or worse under Souness if Robert had spoken his mind in a similar fashion in relation to how the manager was using him out on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Why shouldnt Cisse play off Ba? Theyve been equally efficient as the lead striker. I would say because Ba is more suited to the role. Cisse plays better up front leading the line, getting in the box whereas Ba has the ability to drop deeper and still create chances and score. agree. very obvious imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 This man has worked harder than anyone today. What a champion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loven Mag 11 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Great header for the 2nd goal too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Unlucky, thought he played superbly on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Great header for the 2nd goal too. This forum has way to many pathetic posters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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