Demba Ba (now retired)

[toontownman]

Will be a disappointing exit but not the worst move in the world If we bring someone to compliment cisse in. the latter has shown he is every bit as deadly as ba. It is uncanny how similar each have been when not playing in the centre.

 

My concern is what happens if cisse gets injured. Really we need a couple of strikers.

 

Chelsea seems an odd move for him, granted he will get some silverware probably, but don't see him getting a ton of games. Can see him leaving on the cheap in a couple of seasons.

[ponsaelius]

Could stretch to Guthrie - Anita, although Guth wasn't that important.

[nufc4eva]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

 

We replaced Nzogbia with Ryan Taylor in same window

[Unbelievable]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

 

We replaced Nzogbia with Ryan Taylor in same window

 

Not sure if serious

[Jaehyun]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

[Cajun]

There isn't some magic formula that even begins to suggest that Cisse will all of a sudden start banging them in.

 

Ba is the more dependable of the two for goals and if I had a straight choice with no clauses, etc I'd keep Ba of the two.

 

Why do people always result to using words like 'magic' and 'automatically' when it comes to stuff like this? What does suggest that Cisse will be every bit as good as competent as Ba if he's deployed in his correct position, is his scoring record. Magic's got nowt to do with it.

 

Cisse has played in the centre but struggled. This is why people are probably concerned.

 

Maybe Cisse can only score if he is up top on his own which is fair enough if he does find his feet again but it's a risk to sell your leading scorer whilst hoping the one remaining who hasn't been in form finds it as soon as the other has left.

 

We aren't really in a position to gamble imo, I know people have said 'well we aren't playing great as it is so why not!?' but we would be in a much bigger mess without Ba's goals if Cisse hadn't hit the ground running.

[Unbelievable]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

[Dr Venkman]

There isn't some magic formula that even begins to suggest that Cisse will all of a sudden start banging them in.

 

Ba is the more dependable of the two for goals and if I had a straight choice with no clauses, etc I'd keep Ba of the two.

 

Why do people always result to using words like 'magic' and 'automatically' when it comes to stuff like this? What does suggest that Cisse will be every bit as good as competent as Ba if he's deployed in his correct position, is his scoring record. Magic's got nowt to do with it.

 

 

Exactly, we've even had half a season witnessing it with our own eyes!

 

'Cisse's not just magically gonna start scoring because you play him through the centre'. I've heard loads of it recently.

 

Of course he won't magically start scoring, he'll use his fucking feet (and shins) the same way he's done for his whole career.

[Tooj]

There isn't some magic formula that even begins to suggest that Cisse will all of a sudden start banging them in.

 

Ba is the more dependable of the two for goals and if I had a straight choice with no clauses, etc I'd keep Ba of the two.

 

Why do people always result to using words like 'magic' and 'automatically' when it comes to stuff like this? What does suggest that Cisse will be every bit as good as competent as Ba if he's deployed in his correct position, is his scoring record. Magic's got nowt to do with it.

 

Cisse has played in the centre but struggled. This is why people are probably concerned.

 

Maybe Cisse can only score if he is up top on his own which is fair enough if he does find his feet again but it's a risk to sell your leading scorer whilst hoping the one remaining who hasn't been in form finds it as soon as the other has left.

 

We aren't really in a position to gamble imo, I know people have said 'well we aren't playing great as it is so why not!?' but we would be in a much bigger mess without Ba's goals if Cisse hadn't hit the ground running.

It's not like we are selling Ba through choice though is it?

[littlelunchbox]

Oh yeh now that he's leaving you are all going on about how we depend on his goals,yet these are the same people who keep banging on about him should be playing out wide.

 

If he's here and playing out wide he can come back inside if Cisse is injured, if he goes we're relying on a donkey, even if only as cover.

 

Ifs buts and when,  we all know lily livered Pardew is not ever going to play him out wide again so thats a moot point.  Unless your undeniable faith in Pardews ability has changed all of a sudden lol

[Jaehyun]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

[Dave]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

 

 

Jaehyun, you off your tits?

[ponsaelius]

Carroll and Ba were not in the same window, you heedtheball.

[Cajun]

There isn't some magic formula that even begins to suggest that Cisse will all of a sudden start banging them in.

 

Ba is the more dependable of the two for goals and if I had a straight choice with no clauses, etc I'd keep Ba of the two.

 

Why do people always result to using words like 'magic' and 'automatically' when it comes to stuff like this? What does suggest that Cisse will be every bit as good as competent as Ba if he's deployed in his correct position, is his scoring record. Magic's got nowt to do with it.

 

Cisse has played in the centre but struggled. This is why people are probably concerned.

 

Maybe Cisse can only score if he is up top on his own which is fair enough if he does find his feet again but it's a risk to sell your leading scorer whilst hoping the one remaining who hasn't been in form finds it as soon as the other has left.

 

We aren't really in a position to gamble imo, I know people have said 'well we aren't playing great as it is so why not!?' but we would be in a much bigger mess without Ba's goals if Cisse hadn't hit the ground running.

It's not like we are selling Ba through choice though is it?

 

I didn't say it was

 

I was saying why people were concerned about not having him.

[bowlingcrofty]

He's obviously not bothered about forfeiting his Europa League winners medal 

[Interpolic]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

 

Are you taking the fucking piss or what?

 

Some right divs out today, Jesus.

[healthyaddiction]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

 

The reason he was laughing is that Carroll and Ba were not in the same window.

[nufc4eva]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

 

We replaced Nzogbia with Ryan Taylor in same window

 

Not sure if serious

 

Clearly not but Beye and Simpson were same window as well I think

[Unbelievable]

There isn't some magic formula that even begins to suggest that Cisse will all of a sudden start banging them in.

 

Ba is the more dependable of the two for goals and if I had a straight choice with no clauses, etc I'd keep Ba of the two.

 

Why do people always result to using words like 'magic' and 'automatically' when it comes to stuff like this? What does suggest that Cisse will be every bit as good as competent as Ba if he's deployed in his correct position, is his scoring record. Magic's got nowt to do with it.

 

Cisse has played in the centre but struggled. This is why people are probably concerned.

 

Maybe Cisse can only score if he is up top on his own which is fair enough if he does find his feet again but it's a risk to sell your leading scorer whilst hoping the one remaining who hasn't been in form finds it as soon as the other has left.

 

We aren't really in a position to gamble imo, I know people have said 'well we aren't playing great as it is so why not!?' but we would be in a much bigger mess without Ba's goals if Cisse hadn't hit the ground running.

 

We don't have a choice though Cajun. If Chelsea are indeed in for him he's gone, and I wouldn't even begrudge him it. What is really concerning is we are again at the mercy of tight arse Ashley, who has a record for gambling when it comes to transfer dealings, or more accurately, lack thereof.

[Jaehyun]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

 

The reason he was laughing is that Carroll and Ba were not in the same window.

Okay maybe my memory isn't that clear. Enrique Santon still holds and he answered himself with Nolan Cabaye.

[Unbelievable]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

 

[Jaehyun]

Cisse is the better player and one of Ba or Cisse had to go.

 

Why are people so appalled? I would be far more annoyed had Ba signed a new contract and Cisse shipped out.

 

Why did one have to go?

 

You could argue because they can't work together..... either Cisse is outwide and quite frankly useless or Ba and Cisse are up top and the whole team can't function.

 

Despite the dreams of rotating Ba and Cisse it was never going to happen under this management so maybe in the long run shipping Ba out for someone who could you actually make the attack function as Ba and Cisse have never really functioned together.

 

Will probably end up with egg on our faces but that's the rationale behind it i believe.

 

 

 

 

I'm not even on about rotation per se. Again, despite everybody here getting a hard on for 433/451, that doesn't seem to be the formation Pardew favours most of the time, rightly or wrongly. I completely fail to see why we couldn't have two quality strikers. Isn't that the least any Premiership club aiming for Europe should have?

 

People have a hard on for it because it's what suits the majority of our best players if they are put in the right positions anyway....

 

Pardew has used almost exclusively since the Southampton defeat and i know it hasn't brought results ( mainly due to injuries and other factors so players are out of position) but i feel performances have performed.

 

I agree but it was never going to happen, as a two they don't work and you know what this board is like.....

 

In an ideal scenario i'd like to see us bring in a forward to play wide, rotate Ba and Cisse for central striker spot but Ashley will never sanction that in a million years.

 

I'm still skeptical because im not confident in this board doing the right thing but if we bought a winger-cum striker like Remy to replace him and put Cisse back in the centre i'd believe the team would have actually improved.

 

I share your skepticism. When have they ever replaced an important player in the same window? Only one I remember since Ashley took over is Nolan/Cabaye.

Nolan was replaced by Cabaye in the same window.

 

Yes, that was what I was saying..

Was pointing out that you answered your own question but in all seriousness. Carroll and Ba were in the same window. Enrique and Santon were in the same window as well I believe.

 

 

2 clear examples so you focus on my one mistake. Nice one.

[ponsaelius]

'Memory isn't that clear'

 

You can't remember us being completely FUCKED on DEADLINE DAY January 2011?

[Jack Flash]

There isn't some magic formula that even begins to suggest that Cisse will all of a sudden start banging them in.

 

Ba is the more dependable of the two for goals and if I had a straight choice with no clauses, etc I'd keep Ba of the two.

 

Why do people always result to using words like 'magic' and 'automatically' when it comes to stuff like this? What does suggest that Cisse will be every bit as good as competent as Ba if he's deployed in his correct position, is his scoring record. Magic's got nowt to do with it.

 

Cisse has played in the centre but struggled. This is why people are probably concerned.

 

Maybe Cisse can only score if he is up top on his own which is fair enough if he does find his feet again but it's a risk to sell your leading scorer whilst hoping the one remaining who hasn't been in form finds it as soon as the other has left.

 

We aren't really in a position to gamble imo, I know people have said 'well we aren't playing great as it is so why not!?' but we would be in a much bigger mess without Ba's goals if Cisse hadn't hit the ground running.

 

We don't have a choice though Cajun. If Chelsea are indeed in for him he's gone, and I wouldn't even begrudge him it. What is really concerning is we are again at the mercy of tight arse Ashley, who has a record for gambling when it comes to transfer dealings, or more accurately, lack thereof.

 

He's had that clause in the contract since day 1 and we've not tried very hard to remove it, despite him being a 1 in 2 striker.

[Cajun]

Was talking as if he is still here and the idea of moving him out wide, Cisse central and it instantly clicking at the risk of cancelling out Ba's goal threat.