Sylvain Marveaux - arrested

[toontownman]

I think his natural talent is beyond question - he's got a brilliant left foot and can easily beat players when he fancies it, but I really question whether he's got the heart at times. I agree with Cajun when he says Obertan's got more determination on the pitch - though I feel both of them are pretty damn poor.

 

This absolutely. One of the best technical players we have, So neat and tidy. Just doesn't show he wants it enough though which is why I can partially understand his lack of starts this season. He is a bit of a luxury player and until he works as hard as gouffran or learns from Ben Arfa who was a similar liability defensively, he won't be a regular starter.

 

Our side however is crying out for flair or just a creative spark to get players off their seat marveaux and Ben arfa are our only true flair players currently.

[Tachikoma]

I don't care if he doesn't contribute defensively. Marveaux isn't as naturally fit and athletic as Ben Arfa and Gouffran, so if he has to conserve his energy to be able to hurt the opposition I'm perfectly ok with that.

[Cajun]

I don't care if he doesn't contribute defensively. Marveaux isn't as naturally fit and athletic as Ben Arfa and Gouffran, so if he has to conserve his energy to be able to hurt the opposition I'm perfectly ok with that.

 

We aren't good enough to have a player going missing, not in that position anyway.

[Tachikoma]

I don't care if he doesn't contribute defensively. Marveaux isn't as naturally fit and athletic as Ben Arfa and Gouffran, so if he has to conserve his energy to be able to hurt the opposition I'm perfectly ok with that.

 

We aren't good enough to have a player going missing, not in that position anyway.

 

I could also argue that by having Marveaux track back all of the time he won't be in the right position to hurt the opponent when we are trying to launch a counter attack. We always play with two DMs anyway, why force defensive duties on all of the midfielders?

[Guest bimpy474]

I don't care if he doesn't contribute defensively. Marveaux isn't as naturally fit and athletic as Ben Arfa and Gouffran, so if he has to conserve his energy to be able to hurt the opposition I'm perfectly ok with that.

 

We aren't good enough to have a player going missing, not in that position anyway.

 

I could also argue that by having Marveaux track back all of the time he won't be in the right position to hurt the opponent when we are trying to launch a counter attack. We always play with two DMs anyway, why force defensive duties on all of the midfielders?

 

[Cajun]

I don't care if he doesn't contribute defensively. Marveaux isn't as naturally fit and athletic as Ben Arfa and Gouffran, so if he has to conserve his energy to be able to hurt the opposition I'm perfectly ok with that.

 

We aren't good enough to have a player going missing, not in that position anyway.

 

I could also argue that by having Marveaux track back all of the time he won't be in the right position to hurt the opponent when we are trying to launch a counter attack. We always play with two DMs anyway, why force defensive duties on all of the midfielders?

 

Because we have attacking full backs and Santon certainly shouldn't be left to do things on his own defensively.

 

There seems to be a myth on here that expecting our attacking players to do any defending is negative and that every other team in the league has players just standing there waiting for an attack. It's not true, even if teams aren't packed full of Scott Parkers their wide players will work in both halves of the pitch. Marveaux drifts infield too much and then disappears. Obertan or Jonas have nowhere near Marveaux's quality but they can stick wide and will get back which is why they seem to get the nod more often than not.

 

I don't really blame Marveaux because he isn't that sort of player, unfortunately there is a better the position best suited to him, a position that wouldn't harm us too much with his limited workrate/fight.

 

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Agree with Cajun. Teams like Everton work hard at both getting forward and back, we work at the latter, but fail miserably at the former. Villa always had at least 3 in the box today when crosses were coming in, it's usually just Cisse for us, so it's no surprise we're poor on that front.

[The College Dropout]

I can understand why sometimes he should sit on the bench. At home to Stoke is not one of those occasions.

 

I think Pardew must know we have a small number of match winners. Cisse, Gouff, Cabaye, Marv and Siss. Creatively there's only the last 3.

[Tachikoma]

Speaking of Sissoko, the No.10 position isn't really ideal for him. If it had been Ben Arfa losing the ball all of the time in the middle like that ...

 

The wide positions on the other hand seem just about right for him given his athletic ability (and Marveaux's lack of it).

 

Also I consider Marveaux a No.10, not a wide player.

[The College Dropout]

Siss does need to work on ball retention.  He maye helped if he's moved deeper or possibly wider.

 

Marv creates when he's central. But he doesn't defend much which he needs to work on.  Doesn't need to e a workhouse e just needs to try.

[Gallowgate Toon]

        Sissoko  Cabaye

 

Ben Arfa  Marveaux  Gouffran

                Cisse

 

I think this works well *on paper*. There's a good balance to that team (offensively and defensively) and they all work hard, but in different ways. For example Marveaux presses high up the pitch very well but isn't good at the more physical aspects.

 

Sissoko's a raw player still, I sympathise with him a lot because he really does lack support but his decision-making can be sketchy. I think he's a pretty decent passer of the ball, he's shown some glimpses of it in open games but he lacks vision when there's less space. I think he'd benefit from having more options around him (ahead especially), he's good at passing and moving.

[Beren]

Need a big performance from this gentleman today. Hopefully we can get him on the ball in useful areas of the pitch too, which is my only real concern about whether he'll perform for us. If he's camped in our half for most of the match you know it's going to be ugly.

[Guest bimpy474]

        Sissoko  Cabaye

 

Ben Arfa  Marveaux  Gouffran

                Cisse

 

I think this works well *on paper*. There's a good balance to that team (offensively and defensively) and they all work hard, but in different ways. For example Marveaux presses high up the pitch very well but isn't good at the more physical aspects.

 

Sissoko's a raw player still, I sympathise with him a lot because he really does lack support but his decision-making can be sketchy. I think he's a pretty decent passer of the ball, he's shown some glimpses of it in open games but he lacks vision when there's less space. I think he'd benefit from having more options around him (ahead especially), he's good at passing and moving.

 

I'd love to see that but there's no way Pardew will do it, it's just too attacking for his liking, one or even two of Jonas, Tiote or Perch would have to play in his eyes.

[Mole_Toonfan]

I'd argue we need a big performance from everyone ! 

 

But i definitely agree, especially if we are to keep the ball a lot better he will be vital, i know what Pardew said about keeping the ball was utter bullshit but having said that it still will be important in key moments to keep possession and Marveaux is probably our best available player in that regard.

[Guest bimpy474]

I'd argue we need a big performance from everyone ! 

 

But i definitely agree, especially if we are to keep the ball a lot better he will be vital, i know what Pardew said about keeping the ball was utter bullshit but having said that it still will be important in key moments to keep possession and Marveaux is probably our best available player in that regard.

 

Those 6 players Gallowgate Toon has put up there are all about movement and keeping the ball surely. You would think that Pardew might have a inkling about it too.

 

Sadly i just don't think he has the foresight and courage to use them in that way. He just can't shake off his defensive mindset.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Tbf Gouffran and Ben Arfa are not available but in the main i agree, if we had an actual style of play that front 6 would be great but alas Pardew doesn't seem to be able to coach the team properly for it to work under him

 

Going back to the Dortmund discussion of last night, but if Pardew had similar ideals that front 6 could work very very easily.... so very frustrating

[Guest bimpy474]

Tbf Gouffran and Ben Arfa are not available but in the main i agree, if we had an actual style of play that front 6 would be great but alas Pardew doesn't seem to be able to coach the team properly for it to work under him

 

Going back to the Dortmund discussion of last night, but if Pardew had similar ideals that front 6 could work very very easily.... so very frustrating

 

I actually think it's in him, but it's taking the risks he just can't bring himself to do.

 

And that is why he's a limited, bang average manager and not a expansive good one.

[Skirge]

A real quality footballer but just does not do anywhere near enough in a game.

[Smal]

Yes he does.

[Guest palnese]

Good game today. Bench for him on Sunday, then.

[Tooj]

Yes he does.

Don't think he imposes himself anywhere near as much as he should.

[Smal]

He consistently creates chances and is pretty much the only fit player we have that does that. Of course he does enough.

[Barnes23]

Thought he was excellent. Didn't deserve to be taken off for Pardew's favourite 'plan B'.

[joeyt]

When he gets the ball, he's really good but doesnt get it nearly enough in the game.

[Wilson]

I never understand pardews subs