M4 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 One of the big things against Zidane is that he never had the consistency at club level that the Barca three have shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Rivaldo was the main reason Brazil won in 2002. He's probably underrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Zidane had an aura about him, a physical presence that went unnoticed. But if he came up against a midfield of Barcelona's today he'd be as anonymous as CRonaldo has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Felipao will be fuuuuuming. Can imagine him scrambling together his response in anger right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 As much as an opinion can be 'right'. Which it can When it's mine. Ronny Jnr. Zidane was better because he carried a nation on his shoulders repeatedly. Although it is a travesty Xavi hasn't won World Player of the Year at least once (even it was a Giggs sentimental style one - even though he pisses on Giggs' chips from a great height) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 As much as an opinion can be 'right'. Which it can When it's mine. Ronny Jnr. Can somebody show me a better opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Possibly the most blatant pen in the world since Nolan at Goodison not given to Cardiff there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Just realised Pompey vs Saints is on tomorrow. Will probably watch that instead of the Man U/Liverpool games tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Just realised Pompey vs Saints is on tomorrow. Will probably watch that instead of the Man U/Liverpool games tbh. I know there actually wasn't a great deal of excitement today as it turned out, but the disdain with which the BBC covered the games this evening was a joke. 'Big teams weren't playing, so we know you don't care really. Watch tomorrow! That'll be what you want to see.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I'm looking forward to the three games tomorrow - should be good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Rivaldo was the main reason Brazil won in 2002. He's probably underrated. Absolutely, here Ill agree with you. My favorite player of all time, was pure class. Was in Japan and SKorea and was just fantastic too experience a World Cup with such a class player at his absolute best. Felipao will be fuuuuuming. Can imagine him scrambling together his response in anger right now. Not really. Fuckin hopeless yping with my comp considering i have to copy paste the letter ttttt all the time casue of water spilled on comp. I believe Zidane to be a level above everyone bar Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and possible Rivaldo (during a month play) that i have experienced live. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 10:30 Barca - Santos 12:00 QPR - Man U 13:00 Portsmouth - Southampton 14:05 Aston Villa - Liverpool 16:10 Man City - Arsenal 20:00 Napoli - Roma http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BPdwCWy3-18/TJ05dFL9KLI/AAAAAAAACO4/Gsz_3qrwknk/s640/couch-potato.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Zidane was better because he carried a nation on his shoulders repeatedly. Brazil in 06 is one example of him doing that, I can't think of many others. His overall performance in that tournament was overstated and he let his nation down in the end. His best tournament was Euro 2000 and he wasn't close to carrying the team like Platini did in 84 or Maradona in 86. France had one of the best defences in history during his career, not much infront of him in in 98 (Guivarch, Dugarry) but he didn't do much in that tournament until the final, and then Henry and Trezeguet came along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 What's your problem? Why is it such a ridiculous statement? Because Zidane was obviously better. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Why was Zidane better? What does he have over Iniesta apart from the mythical 'aura' and hype machine. Zidane was an elegant player, he was a player who no one could touch. Chosen three times best in the world says everything, IMO. Twice. One of those for scoring two headers in the world cup final more than anything, the defence contributed far more to that win and he nearly f***ed it up by getting suspended for half of the tournament (as he did 8 years later). Ronaldo for one was a better player that year. Invalid post since you started by correcting me when I was right and y ou wrong. He was also the player for a Juventus who won the league that year, so you double wrong. And who were runnerup in the CL. He was twice runnerup for Juve in CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I was thinking of the Ballon D'or. And I've no doubt he wouldn't of won it if he hadn't scored those goals in the final. Would Cup's are massively overstated in these awards compared to club seasons (Cannavaro 06, Belanov 86, Ronaldo 02 etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I was thinking of the Ballon D'or. And I've no doubt he wouldn't of won it if he hadn't scored those goals in the final. Would Cup's are massively overstated in these awards compared to club seasons (Cannavaro 06, Belanov 86, Ronaldo 02 etc) Maybe not, but only Ronaldo could challenge him for the 98 award. His final appearance probably gave him the award, rightfully so in my opinion too. Both won it three times, good neough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 No chance Iniesta is better than Zizou. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 No chance Iniesta is better than Zizou. Yeah can't see how people think Iniesta is better than Zidane like. Certainly not at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Iniesta is the closest thing to the ultimate clutch player since Zidane. But he never dictates matches the way Zidane did in his pomp. Tbh there's nothing more beautiful than a true #10 like Zidane dictating a football match, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He's a great player now but he has to do it for much longer. He plays well in the big games, though, and that is something that needs to be mentioned, but Zidane in his prime was something else. In time, people will begin to form a proper perspective on the Barca 3 and Cristiano. We're too caught up in what they're doing now to be able to compare them with players who have retired. In a few years, I'm sure everyone's opinion will be different. If Real win two or three CLs in a row with Cristiano banging 40+ goals in a season, everyone's opinion of him will have to change drastically. It's too early to judge these players and compare them to past greats. For what it's worth, Zidane controlled the game in a way that I don't think Iniesta does. Everything Barca does goes through Messi. Everything Real, Juve and France did went through Zidane. That's the comparison that should be made (even if Messi is superior). I would put Xavi and Zidane on a very similar level, but I don't think it's fair on either player to compare them against each other because they are very different. Someone said on the last page that if you put Zidane on the pitch for Real then he would look anonymous against the Barca today. Sorry, but you obviously missed Zizou's prime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 One day Sewelly will admit CRonaldo is one of the greatest players of all time. I don't think he is. He's just a flat track bulley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I think about it this way: do Barca win all the titles they're winning without Messi? Not a chance. Everything goes through him. Do they win without Iniesta? It's much tougher, but I think they still win most of the titles that they have won. Do they win without Xavi? More than without Iniesta but obviously less than without Messi. Do France win anything without Zizou? No, and the proof is the 2002 WC, and 2006 WC. And that is if you want to compare them in terms of impact on titles and trophies. If you look at them in terms of their skill, touch etc., I don't think there's too many people who are comparable to Zidane in the history of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 nice finish by Ruiz. seems to be growing as a player recently. don't think he would of been worth it for us though, so still pretty pleased we missed out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Can't believe the shit being spouted about Zidane in here The one who was overrated was always Ronaldinho. Nothing more than a ridiculously good show pony. He'd be nowhere near the top 50 in the world nevermind the top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Is the Southampton v Portsmouth game on tele today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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