TaylorJ_01 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Duff got a hard time here. He was far better than Obertan (not saying much, mind). I literally can't even imagine Obertan getting a goal. He is quite partial to a shot tbf to him, strikes it well usually too. I'll send you 40p once he gets his first goal providing it is within the next 4 games. THAT's how confident I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluegeordie Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Duff got a hard time here. He was far better than Obertan (not saying much, mind). I literally can't even imagine Obertan getting a goal. He is quite partial to a shot tbf to him, strikes it well usually too. I'll send you 40p once he gets his first goal providing it is within the next 4 games. THAT's how confident I am. Or 1,000 Euros, whichever is the greater? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Some of the stick this lad gets is horrendous. Great way to help a new player settle in... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Some of the stick this lad gets is horrendous. Great way to help a new player settle in... He gets off lightly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Getting frustrated with the fact that this lad is our starting right winger. I've played with and against probably hundreds of players at Sunday League level who have a better footballing brain than him. Literally the only thing that prevents him being a lower league player is the fact that he can run really fucking fast and has tricky feet, so when he spends the entire game walking around and failing to beat his man when he has the ball, he's basically rendered completely useless. Needs to seriously pull his finger out and start playing to his strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 He needs some one on one coaching, similar to what the defenders got in terms of positioning and how to react accordingly. He's far from a lost cause as his tidy run in the second half showed. He's clearly fragile mentally so I don't think getting on his back will do anything other than harm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 He needs to be dropped asap. I think he might be able to do a job coming on in the last 15 minutes of a game Routledge is comfortably better than this guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 He needs some one on one coaching, similar to what the defenders got in terms of positioning and how to react accordingly. He's far from a lost cause as his tidy run in the second half showed. He's clearly fragile mentally so I don't think getting on his back will do anything other than harm. do they really coach defenders one-on-one in terms of positioning ? sure you can tell each individual where they ought to be but only in the context of a defensive unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 He needs some one on one coaching, similar to what the defenders got in terms of positioning and how to react accordingly. He's far from a lost cause as his tidy run in the second half showed. He's clearly fragile mentally so I don't think getting on his back will do anything other than harm. not surprised tbh. Possessing a head that size, it must be quite easy to damage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 He needs some one on one coaching, similar to what the defenders got in terms of positioning and how to react accordingly. He's far from a lost cause as his tidy run in the second half showed. He's clearly fragile mentally so I don't think getting on his back will do anything other than harm. do they really coach defenders one-on-one in terms of positioning ? sure you can tell each individual where they ought to be but only in the context of a defensive unit. It's possible yeah. That's why the backline has been so strong. As for Obertan I think when he's looked confident (Villa away as an example) he's looked very handy. Why people are calling for Routledge I have no idea because he was just as bad if not worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 In the space of two games it's become pretty hard for me to watch him play for us tbh. He's completely ineffective going forward and nowhere to be seen when we're defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 As I said I think most (myself included) would forgive the lad not playing brilliantly if he put a shift in at the same time, it's the least he should be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Some of the stick this lad gets is horrendous. Great way to help a new player settle in... Does Obertan read the posts on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's possible yeah. That's why the backline has been so strong. As for Obertan I think when he's looked confident (Villa away as an example) he's looked very handy. Why people are calling for Routledge I have no idea because he was just as bad if not worse. Routledge isn't our player, people aren't calling for him. They are comparing our current right winger with a player who played in the same position for us recently. I don't see a better player than Routledge in Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Routledge isn't our player, people aren't calling for him. They are comparing our current right winger with a player who played in the same position for us recently. I don't see a better player than Routledge in Obertan. Pretty sure Obertan will be on higher wages as well. Was so infuriating today, everytime he got the ball he looked like he was going to lose it. I wish he'd just use his pace, knock the ball down the line and run yet he insists on bringing it inside and either doing a simple pass back or losing possession. Really hope he doesn't start against Swansea. If Pardew insists on Ben Arfa not playing on the wing I wouldn't mind seeing Guti being switched over to the right and maybe Ferguson come in for a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 No, the really frustrating thing is that on a couple of occasions - and one in particular - today, he showed the ability to go past two or three defenders at a time. He has the ability. Maddening as f*** when you see someone with talent but no application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 No, the really frustrating thing is that on a couple of occasions - and one in particular - today, he showed the ability to go past two or three defenders at a time. He has the ability. Maddening as f*** when you see someone with talent but no application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's possible yeah. That's why the backline has been so strong. As for Obertan I think when he's looked confident (Villa away as an example) he's looked very handy. Why people are calling for Routledge I have no idea because he was just as bad if not worse. Routledge isn't our player, people aren't calling for him. They are comparing our current right winger with a player who played in the same position for us recently. I don't see a better player than Routledge in Obertan. No but the mood on here is starting to permeate to the terraces. Your entitled to your opinion, but for me I see more potential in the 22 year old Gabriel Obertan than I do in the 26 year old Routledge. For a start the latter had 6-7 months in a Championship winning side prior to his time in the Premier League with us, and even then he did hardly anything. The one game he actually looked a threat was based on him going past Ashley Cole once. Looking at his stats (ESPN Soccernet) Routledge had one assist which was the pass for Ben Arfa's goal. I think games like Stoke showed why Obertan can be helpful. I also don't believe Routledge makes that run or provides that quality of cross for Ba to score (in reference to the Stoke game). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Headless fucking chicken. So, so frustrating to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's possible yeah. That's why the backline has been so strong. As for Obertan I think when he's looked confident (Villa away as an example) he's looked very handy. Why people are calling for Routledge I have no idea because he was just as bad if not worse. Routledge isn't our player, people aren't calling for him. They are comparing our current right winger with a player who played in the same position for us recently. I don't see a better player than Routledge in Obertan. No but the mood on here is starting to permeate to the terraces. I'm not sure we're to blame like mate, he's just been crap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's possible yeah. That's why the backline has been so strong. As for Obertan I think when he's looked confident (Villa away as an example) he's looked very handy. Why people are calling for Routledge I have no idea because he was just as bad if not worse. Routledge isn't our player, people aren't calling for him. They are comparing our current right winger with a player who played in the same position for us recently. I don't see a better player than Routledge in Obertan. No but the mood on here is starting to permeate to the terraces. I'm not sure we're to blame like mate, he's just been crap No no I'm not blaming folk on here. My point is he needs time, he's not even had half a season of first team football. I still think he's adapting to English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 No but the mood on here is starting to permeate to the terraces. Your entitled to your opinion, but for me I see more potential in the 22 year old Gabriel Obertan than I do in the 26 year old Routledge. For a start the latter had 6-7 months in a Championship winning side prior to his time in the Premier League with us, and even then he did hardly anything. The one game he actually looked a threat was based on him going past Ashley Cole once. Looking at his stats (ESPN Soccernet) Routledge had one assist which was the pass for Ben Arfa's goal. I think games like Stoke showed why Obertan can be helpful. I also don't believe Routledge makes that run or provides that quality of cross for Ba to score (in reference to the Stoke game). I don't see much, if any potential in Obertan. People keep going on about his pace yet I have hardly seen any of it. I'm not too bothered about his lack of defending as that is secondary. I do have a problem with a player who gets the ball in space and waits until somebody gets close before he starts going forward and then he runs into the opposition. Obertan will not make it here as far as I can see, he's got nothing going for him and if people are getting to him then that's his problem and he's bringing it on himself, not that I've sensed anything at the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 No no I'm not blaming folk on here. My point is he needs time, he's not even had half a season of first team football. I still think he's adapting to English football. How long has he been in English football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Did he even make much of an impression in France? I can't imagine so, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Did he even make much of an impression in France? I can't imagine so, like. Bordeaux loaned him out before he went to Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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