Disco Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Done us no harm whatsoever so far. How far are you going back? How about since Carr's came in as that's how we're operating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton Nice to see MA and DL come through with their promise to reinvest AC money, 59m net profit from transfers in last 5 seasons.....ambition??? oh joey you thick f***, do you think money only comes from transfers, if the club you professed to love made a 1mill profit on transfers while losing 10mill elsewhere you's still only see the 1mill profit wouldn't you ? he did say from profit from transfer , and it's true that we had made profit from transfer!!!!! Well obviously, but he's ignoring the wider financial situation. What's the problem with making a profit on transfers if the rest of the club is making a loss? It all comes off the bottom line. you had to worry about it for sure, if you making profit from transfer consistently , it means you are selling your first team players to other and replace it with cheaper option. so looking at our squad , Tiote, Colo , even Cabaye would be the next to go for the next transfer profit made Sense of irony that you list two of our cheaper options in our 3 best players like. Making profit doesn't necessarily mean you're signing worse playersm as we've proven. aye, but if you are consistently selling your 1st choice, are you sure you going to replace it with a better player everytime? But this is what clubs in Holland, Belguim and France(the lesser clubs) do an extent all the time, they have great youth policies, especially in Holland, to replace from within that was Ashley's long term goal as well. I just doubt it'll work in England as effectively as it does in those countries, and that is what he needs to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? may I ? ....no it hasn't. i'd guess most clubs are saying the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 How about since Carr's came in as that's how we're operating? I was just wondering if you had included Given and N'Zogbia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 QPR are trying to improve there squad going into the season, and they are spending money to do so, that is ambition. If you agree with the signings they have made or not. I'm oretty sure QPR fans will be estatic with the signings they've made tbf. There is about 3 people who are estatic with our buisness. If you were Joey Barton, would you sooner finish around 8th to 10th with us, or finish probably 16th at best just because they've spent a few bob. Obviosly 8-10th with us (it's hardly a certainty like). I'm not saying QPR are as good as us, or have more potential than us, but there owner is atleast not trying he's hardest assett strip there club. isn't he(tony fernandes) doing exactly what ashley did when he first came in ? When Ashley first came in he seemed alright tbf, and Fernandes has improved QPR. I'm guessing i'm missing something here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? I've never said anything to oppose this. Just the negativity stinks. People can't seem to differentiate the fact aye, Ashley & Llambias are cunts, we've made profit, but are still looking a good prospect this season. Just look at the views of the Villa & Everton fans on here for a bit of perspective, two clubs who we'll be competing with for a top 8 finish imo. And even if we spent another £20m or whatever I'm not sure we'd have made much of a dent on the top 6 anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? Hard one to answer without knowing the details of the deals that we turned down, and without knowing what any of those potential signings would have gone on to achieve for us. If we had signed another striker I would have said it was a very good window, as it is it's still decent. Honestly find it difficult to answer this question, I'm not trying to avoid it. I've never argued that we were maximising our potential anyway TBH, I've always said the balance of spending is difficult to get right and I don't know exactly where the right level is. People just seem to be determined to paint me as always agreeing with everything Ashley does, which I've never done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Pretty sure at this point Ian is Derek or Ashley mongtastic bullshit which we could do without. It got a laugh from me like... Each to their own though, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 QPR are trying to improve there squad going into the season, and they are spending money to do so, that is ambition. If you agree with the signings they have made or not. I'm oretty sure QPR fans will be estatic with the signings they've made tbf. There is about 3 people who are estatic with our buisness. If you were Joey Barton, would you sooner finish around 8th to 10th with us, or finish probably 16th at best just because they've spent a few bob. Obviosly 8-10th with us (it's hardly a certainty like). I'm not saying QPR are as good as us, or have more potential than us, but there owner is atleast not trying he's hardest assett strip there club. isn't he(tony fernandes) doing exactly what ashley did when he first came in ? When Ashley first came in he seemed alright tbf, and Fernandes has improved QPR. I'm guessing i'm missing something here? fernandes has came in and in the first few months done exactly as ashley did ? do you think he'll keep on doing it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Pretty sure at this point Ian is Derek or Ashley pretty sure ian w should change his name to "Derek Ashley"..........gan on ian, i even went to the effort of putting caps on and stuff. I genuinely laughed at this. I should be in bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Anyone who isn't directing vile abuse towards Mike Ashley needs to sort there craic out. and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the c*** out of the club. Protesting wont work, the people who say protest are as thick as mince (joke not meant to offend) if they cant see that he doesn't care what you say about him. Put aside the hate for him, he couldn't careless if you hate him anyway, comments about, only thing he cares about is money, boycott he'll understand that, a hit to his pocket, he has so much money that this club is just a drop in his empires pond, he isn't going to bankroll the club but he isn't going to let it go under either, if we vote with our feet he will only reduce player numbers/wages to cover it anyway. If protesting was to work we would end up with maybe him gone but a team in league one. I'd rather have him in charge and finish mid-table than hound him out and be left in the lower leagues, shitty deal but i'm hoping if Pardew can do a good job with what he's got then someone might look at us and want to buy us from Ashley. I wont do anything and i mean anything to damage the club i love, i hate the bloke but i love this club more, we cant get rid of him unless he decides he wants to go, thats horrible but a reality no matter what we do, to think otherwise imo is flogging a dead horse, i'm getting behind Pardew and the players, if they do well great, maybe a new owner may come in or the fat idiot might put more funds in, i doubt the latter so i'm hoping for option one. But this club is my love, and i'm not Geordie, and i have only a inkling of what it means to a Geordie, but if the little i've gleamed from following this club my whole life, then it means more than most people could ever appreciate, i just wont damage it. Top post apart from your opening line. Two sides of the argument which I think everyone needs to appreciate. Instead of us all saying those who are happy to sit back and wait are thick, and the ones who are protesting are thick, can we all not at least show some understanding that different people want to show their anger different ways? We should all support one another regardless of our differences. Ultimately, we want rid of the t*** and should applaud anyone who is willing to try and make him f*** off. I agree that people need to actively protest, and they will be taken notice of, that's not to say I'll definitely be out there doing it. Try telling about 1,500 L7 season ticket holders that Ashley doesn't listen to them. It's the only reason he moved us. He moved you but not him, thats a point about protesting to him right there, if i knew protesting would work i would do it too, but it just wont work, he is amazing at being able to just ignore the stuff rightly thrown at him. We all agree he has to go, he is a cancer in our club but it'll be on his terms not ours, i hate to think and say that but imo its the reality of it, i want him out, sure chant at him let him know we hate him and want him gone, but when the lads are out there then i cheer them and leave his boos for him when it doesn't affect the team. He doesn't just ignore the abuse, he obviously listens hence moving us. FWIW, I don't want to come across as being argumentative because I see where you're coming from, but if you save your supporting for in the ground (which I am 100% behind), and you don't protest at any point...just when do you give your boos for Ashley? Your not being argumentative at all mate , thats what this place is for discussion, i to my shame i suppose dont protest, i hate him but when he appears and the boos ring out, i tend to just ignore the whole thing, ignore him i mean not the boos, i dont want to waste my breath on him. I'm 40 and am still in awe every single time i go to a home game, i dont want to waste my time on him, on my trips to my own personal mecca, i get to 6 to 8 home games a season, depending on finance, costs a bit to get up from where i'm from, i want to saviour that, hope you understand where i'm coming from with that. Totally mate - All I'm getting at is that collectively we need to respect and support one another's decisions on how to push him towards the door. You're not the only one, and it happens both ways I just happened to pick on your post, haha! Your right mate both sides have very valid points, sometimes i think things get messed up in written form on here, you type something and it comes across not how you would actually say it to mean, that and the fact this is the most sarcastic and unforgiving blog i've ever been on, in a good way like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Carroll replaced by Ba? And since we've sold Carroll, Ba has been a helluva lot better in the Premier League. if you genuinely think Ba is a better player than Carroll , i've got nothing to say anymore. mind you , form is temporary class is permanent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? I've never said anything to oppose this. Just the negativity stinks. People can't seem to differentiate the fact aye, Ashley & Llambias are cunts, we've made profit, but are still looking a good prospect this season. Just look at the views of the Villa & Everton fans on here for a bit of perspective, two clubs who we'll be competing with for a top 8 finish imo. And even if we spent another £20m or whatever I'm not sure we'd have made much of a dent on the top 6 anyway. Spurs fan seems to think we are being a bit silly too, no doubt the response will be "I don't care what other clubs think". Not signing another forward has been a massive failure but as usual it's nowhere near as bad as is being made out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sometimes I wonder just how old some of the posters on here really are. We dont sign a striker so every f***er whos said anything negative about the club in the past is automatically right. I mean f***ing hell thats the logic of a child To be fair they've openly admitted to lying to us before, haven't they? Besides...plenty of their actions speak far louder than their words. They don't give a f*** about us. Right so they're a bunch of c***s. How does that mean that every f***er that has a bad word to say about them must be right/justified? What am I missing here? Everyone knows that Ashley and co are tossers. But some of the stuff Barton and Nolan ect have come out with is cringeworthy bullshit and it gets eaten up because they're against the evil empire.. No, it's just I have no reason not to believe Nolan and Barton. They might be money-grabbing bastards too but regardless they have done nowt for me to think they're lying in the past. In addition to this, despite they're wrong doings on and off the pitch they seem to have done all in their power to turn this club around this last year or two, hence promotion and the reformation of the squad mentality. The board however are the total opposite - lying, deceiving and then admitting to it in court. Forgive me if I'm naive but I'd place my bets on the players being the ones telling the truth here. Despite whether you think they're money grabbing arseholes - they're the credible ones. The board might be if we a) stay up and b) the books are looking a f***ing fine lot better by the time they're released/the season ends. How about the novel idea that neither are telling the whole truth? Thats my point. Ashley and co being c***s ect (which we all already know), does not equal Barton/Nolan ect being angels. Both parties wanted the best for themselves. I just wish people could talk about what a bunch of pricks Ashley and co are without putting two money grabbing pricks on a pedastal in order to do it. It just really gets on my tits hearing what good hard done by lads Barton and Nolan are when in reality they've also been trying to use the fans to get what they want. Ashley does it, but at least everyone can see it! That's purely a matter of opinion to be fair. It's not like the majority of fans wanted Nolan and/or Barton to go? Therefore, I don't see how we were used to manipulate the move? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 QPR are trying to improve there squad going into the season, and they are spending money to do so, that is ambition. If you agree with the signings they have made or not. I'm oretty sure QPR fans will be estatic with the signings they've made tbf. There is about 3 people who are estatic with our buisness. If you were Joey Barton, would you sooner finish around 8th to 10th with us, or finish probably 16th at best just because they've spent a few bob. Obviosly 8-10th with us (it's hardly a certainty like). I'm not saying QPR are as good as us, or have more potential than us, but there owner is atleast not trying he's hardest assett strip there club. isn't he(tony fernandes) doing exactly what ashley did when he first came in ? When Ashley first came in he seemed alright tbf, and Fernandes has improved QPR. I'm guessing i'm missing something here? fernandes has came in and in the first few months done exactly as ashley did ? do you think he'll keep on doing it ? If he recieves £35m for a player I think he'll put more than a couple million of it back into the team, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? I've never said anything to oppose this. Just the negativity stinks. People can't seem to differentiate the fact aye, Ashley & Llambias are cunts, we've made profit, but are still looking a good prospect this season. Just look at the views of the Villa & Everton fans on here for a bit of perspective, two clubs who we'll be competing with for a top 8 finish imo. And even if we spent another £20m or whatever I'm not sure we'd have made much of a dent on the top 6 anyway. Top 8? Are you off your nut or something! No way we will finish that high up. 12th at the very best because we just don't have the squad or firepower to compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Carroll replaced by Ba? And since we've sold Carroll, Ba has been a helluva lot better in the Premier League. if you genuinely think Ba is a better player than Carroll , i've got nothing to say anymore. mind you , form is temporary class is permanent Doesn't that completely negate your argument given that Ba has been an absolutely lethal striker for 6 years where as Carroll has had 6 prolific months at the top level and 6 which where very hit and miss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton Nice to see MA and DL come through with their promise to reinvest AC money, 59m net profit from transfers in last 5 seasons.....ambition??? Too true. Aye Joey, about as ambitious as joining Queens Park Rangers. Ambition is relative. Don't buy this argument, it's like dumping Scarlet Johannsen because she has stopped wearing lip stick and going out with Susan Boyle because she has started buying her hand bags from Primark instead of Oxfam. True. I don't even think QPR are any more ambition than us, they just have a bit more money to spend and looser standards about the players they buy. Exaggerated analogies. Last refuge of people who don't want to confront a situation which requires no analogy. One club making maximising their resources = ambitious. One club not maximising their resources = not ambitious. QPR are more ambitious than we are. What are "our resources" though? We almost always make a loss, so unless Ashley is going to continue to subsidise us we will have to spend less and bring in more. So by resources do you mean Ashley's personal wealth? If you view the club under those terms, what would be your problem with Ashley liquidating the club? It's his, right? What obligation does he have to anyone? You seem to be couching the club in terms of some regular IFRS-abiding profit-making entity when it clearly isn't. Substantial revenue is derived from the fans. The entity exists for the fans. There is no entity without it. That's not to say there's no room for financial prudence, or even to achieve financial stability in the long-run, but if you're telling me that you honestly believe that at the end of this year the financial statements don't show a lopsided emphasis on cost-cutting over satisfying the purpose of the entity - then IMO there's no hope for you The disproportionate weight of that lopsidedness is the lack of ambition. The accounts will of course be madly convoluted with all sorts of creative accounting and personal costs charged to the club to reduce taxable profit, but even then, I'm confidently the club will very comfortably be in the black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? I've never said anything to oppose this. Just the negativity stinks. People can't seem to differentiate the fact aye, Ashley & Llambias are c***s, we've made profit, but are still looking a good prospect this season. Just look at the views of the Villa & Everton fans on here for a bit of perspective, two clubs who we'll be competing with for a top 8 finish imo. And even if we spent another £20m or whatever I'm not sure we'd have made much of a dent on the top 6 anyway. Spurs fan seems to think we are being a bit silly too, no doubt the response will be "I don't care what other clubs think". Not signing another forward has been a massive failure but as usual it's nowhere near as bad as is being made out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? I've never said anything to oppose this. Just the negativity stinks. People can't seem to differentiate the fact aye, Ashley & Llambias are cunts, we've made profit, but are still looking a good prospect this season. Just look at the views of the Villa & Everton fans on here for a bit of perspective, two clubs who we'll be competing with for a top 8 finish imo. And even if we spent another £20m or whatever I'm not sure we'd have made much of a dent on the top 6 anyway. That's not the point though Nut, those clubs have never hid the fact that they were hard up and weren't looking to make big signings. We were strung along we were after a quality striker and ended up being outbid for our 6th choice by a small town club in London on the last day. How can we justify that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Anyone who isn't directing vile abuse towards Mike Ashley needs to sort there craic out. and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the c*** out of the club. Protesting wont work, the people who say protest are as thick as mince (joke not meant to offend) if they cant see that he doesn't care what you say about him. Put aside the hate for him, he couldn't careless if you hate him anyway, comments about, only thing he cares about is money, boycott he'll understand that, a hit to his pocket, he has so much money that this club is just a drop in his empires pond, he isn't going to bankroll the club but he isn't going to let it go under either, if we vote with our feet he will only reduce player numbers/wages to cover it anyway. If protesting was to work we would end up with maybe him gone but a team in league one. I'd rather have him in charge and finish mid-table than hound him out and be left in the lower leagues, shitty deal but i'm hoping if Pardew can do a good job with what he's got then someone might look at us and want to buy us from Ashley. I wont do anything and i mean anything to damage the club i love, i hate the bloke but i love this club more, we cant get rid of him unless he decides he wants to go, thats horrible but a reality no matter what we do, to think otherwise imo is flogging a dead horse, i'm getting behind Pardew and the players, if they do well great, maybe a new owner may come in or the fat idiot might put more funds in, i doubt the latter so i'm hoping for option one. But this club is my love, and i'm not Geordie, and i have only a inkling of what it means to a Geordie, but if the little i've gleamed from following this club my whole life, then it means more than most people could ever appreciate, i just wont damage it. Top post apart from your opening line. Two sides of the argument which I think everyone needs to appreciate. Instead of us all saying those who are happy to sit back and wait are thick, and the ones who are protesting are thick, can we all not at least show some understanding that different people want to show their anger different ways? We should all support one another regardless of our differences. Ultimately, we want rid of the t*** and should applaud anyone who is willing to try and make him f*** off. I agree that people need to actively protest, and they will be taken notice of, that's not to say I'll definitely be out there doing it. Try telling about 1,500 L7 season ticket holders that Ashley doesn't listen to them. It's the only reason he moved us. He moved you but not him, thats a point about protesting to him right there, if i knew protesting would work i would do it too, but it just wont work, he is amazing at being able to just ignore the stuff rightly thrown at him. We all agree he has to go, he is a cancer in our club but it'll be on his terms not ours, i hate to think and say that but imo its the reality of it, i want him out, sure chant at him let him know we hate him and want him gone, but when the lads are out there then i cheer them and leave his boos for him when it doesn't affect the team. He doesn't just ignore the abuse, he obviously listens hence moving us. FWIW, I don't want to come across as being argumentative because I see where you're coming from, but if you save your supporting for in the ground (which I am 100% behind), and you don't protest at any point...just when do you give your boos for Ashley? Your not being argumentative at all mate , thats what this place is for discussion, i to my shame i suppose dont protest, i hate him but when he appears and the boos ring out, i tend to just ignore the whole thing, ignore him i mean not the boos, i dont want to waste my breath on him. I'm 40 and am still in awe every single time i go to a home game, i dont want to waste my time on him, on my trips to my own personal mecca, i get to 6 to 8 home games a season, depending on finance, costs a bit to get up from where i'm from, i want to saviour that, hope you understand where i'm coming from with that. Totally mate - All I'm getting at is that collectively we need to respect and support one another's decisions on how to push him towards the door. You're not the only one, and it happens both ways I just happened to pick on your post, haha! Your right mate both sides have very valid points, sometimes i think things get messed up in written form on here, you type something and it comes across not how you would actually say it to mean, that and the fact this is the most sarcastic and unforgiving blog i've ever been on, in a good way like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 General question to Ian and ON... Do you think the club has maximised it's potential this summer without putting the club in grave financial danger? I've never said anything to oppose this. Just the negativity stinks. People can't seem to differentiate the fact aye, Ashley & Llambias are c***s, we've made profit, but are still looking a good prospect this season. Just look at the views of the Villa & Everton fans on here for a bit of perspective, two clubs who we'll be competing with for a top 8 finish imo. And even if we spent another £20m or whatever I'm not sure we'd have made much of a dent on the top 6 anyway. That's not the point though Nut, those clubs have never hid the fact that they were hard up and weren't looking to make big signings. We were strung along we were after a quality striker and ended up being outbid for our 6th choice by a small town club in London on the last day. How can we justify that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Beren, I don't really disagree with that post except that the club being in the black would have to happen for more than one year for it to stop being an objective, but the bit about liquidation is mental mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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