jdckelly Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Are you blind? you can't just say with the exception of one summer and try to brush it under the carpet because that summer lead to us not getting into the CL and we haven't been back since. It was basically the beginning of the decline that eventually lead to relegation so no it can't and should not be ignored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 At which point he sacked the man who had given us those three successive top five places and brought in Souness, Roeder and Allardyce. I wonder where we'd be now if Shepherd had kept his mouth shut about Bobby leaving and had allowed him to find his replacement instead. Things would have been totally different now because that was the start of the slide, Bobby out and Souness in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Are you blind? you can't just say with the exception of one summer and try to brush it under the carpet because that summer lead to us not getting into the CL and we haven't been back since. It was basically the beginning of the decline that eventually lead to relegation so no it can't and should not be ignored. Which is why I acknowledged it. We were an ambitious club that made bad decisions but always in the name of attempting to bring success and competing with the best. Totally different animal to the rubbish occupying SJP now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Shepherd 'walked the walk' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Cash that was primarily spent before we were even close to qualifying for it. Shepherd deserves a lot of criticism, but he wanted to make the club successful and walked the walk. Give me that over '1 or 2 signings per season' any day of the week. Bobby hardly had a pot to piss in when he first arrived and had to get players off the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 So out of his depth that we finished 2nd, 4th, 3rd and 5th with him in the seat. Then again, the balance sheet was s*** viewing. Robson got him most of those. He is the sole reason for our success under him. Dalgleish's was lucky with inheriting a great team before royally f***ing it up. Bobby was backed very well with transfer funds with the exception of one summer. We showed a lot of ambition back then. Not to mention the fact that under Ashley's crock of shit, Robson would have never come to begin with. But in any case Mick is right, Shepherd and Ashley are both shit for different reasons.... neither are really the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I'll let someone else dig up the figures, but we made plenty of expensive signings from 2000-2003 on Bobby's recommendations. He was well backed in the transfer market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 lets just make this very clear, just because Ashley is bad it does not make Shepherd in any way shape or form good or meh or bad he was horrific for the club. He was incompetent, a regular embarrassment to the club and the amount he made for himself out of his time at the club is sickening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Horrific for the club. Please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I'll let someone else dig up the figures, but we made plenty of expensive signings from 2000-2003 on Bobby's recommendations. He was well backed in the transfer market. We made something like a £7 million transfer profit during the first year Bobby was with us, I remember him getting rid of Ferguson, Howey, Maric and Pistone for good money and I remember not believing how he'd managed to get so much for those 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nice try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nice try. What do you mean by that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 We spent £4m on the likes of Bassedas alone. Over the first 4 years of his tenure he was backed very well. By the way: "he's a miracle man, the chairman." - Sir Bobby Robson, 2003. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. We are only lumbered with Ashley now because Shepherd sold out to the tune of £40m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 By the way: "he's a miracle man, the chairman." - Sir Bobby Robson, 2003. Everyone sucks up to their boss man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Sick of all these filler soundbites Ryder is putting in the Chronicle, like. Couldn't give a f*** what Shepherd thinks of the club at the minute, or his 'what if' tales. Only decent one was Acuna going out the fire exit, but that's purely because I like any mention of Clarence Acuna, not because it was interesting. Didn't he get arrested coming over the Tyne bridge dressed as Captain Hook or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. Yeah, seems startling how many don't realize it's mostly a discussion regarding who would be better for the club if given a choice between Shepherd or Ashley. Not a discussion about who you'd want as an owner instead of Ashley and people saying they want Shepherd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. We are only lumbered with Ashley now because Shepherd sold out to the tune of £40m. Like he had a choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 By the way: "he's a miracle man, the chairman." - Sir Bobby Robson, 2003. Everyone sucks up to their boss man He wasn't his boss in 2006, when he again praised Shepherd's backing of him in his book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. We are only lumbered with Ashley now because Shepherd sold out to the tune of £40m. Like he had a choice. Nobody saying Shepherd was or is the answer, by the way. But for NUFC he was streets ahead of what we're lumbered with now. We are only lumbered with Ashley now because Shepherd sold out to the tune of £40m. Like he had a choice. To be a business partner with John Hall and sell Newcastle to Ashley? The tail doesn't wag the dog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Ashley already owned over 40% of the club before offering to buy Shepherd's 30%. Shepherd didn't have a leg to stand on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 We spent £4m on the likes of Bassedas alone. Over the first 4 years of his tenure he was backed very well. By the way: "he's a miracle man, the chairman." - Sir Bobby Robson, 2003. We were 13th the season before Bobby was appointed and we finished 11th during his first 2 seasons when he had to rebuild the squad, he did that while making a profit of between £7million and £8 million. In his third season he spent something like £11.5 million in total and had improved our league position by +2, +2 and +9 positions which brought in extra income which will have made his transfers roughly a neutral cost. In total over his managerial career with us he had a net spend which was roughly £21 million while improving our league positions by +31 over the 5 years and had us actually competing in the CL which will/did increase our turnover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 He was backed, in other words. You're arguing against yourself here, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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