Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 It shouldn't matter how good or poor we were in the past, it should all be about aspiring to be the best we can be, whatever level we are operating at currently. And at current we are the 19th most valuable club in the world and pull in the 3rd highest attendance in the league - a league that is regarded as the best. Merely wanting to stay in the league isn't good enough. Nothing about how we are ran at the moment is good enough and it should never be acceptable. The fact it is to a good majority is wrong and this is why we have the club we have and why football is rotten to the core. To me there is a disconnect between the club and its fans and city. The players - there is no connection. The board - none. The manager - nothing. Media relations are awful too. The club's twitter feed is appalling for example. When we were shit and playing in the old second division there was a connection, if not with the board then with the club, players and even the manager depending on who he was. Jim Smith, even Ardiles. There was at least a connection. Fans could believe in the club and could enjoy aspects of it. Today what is there to enjoy, really? Can we enjoy a Cabaye knowing he will soon be sold after his stock rises? Can we enjoy a youngster coming through the ranks like an Andy Carroll again knowing he too will soon be sold the minute he starts to shine. Can we enjoy the club strip, our proud colors knowing its plastered with Wonga as the sponsor? How about our home, our staduim? Can we enjoy that? I don't know about others, but look around SJP and it could be a block of flats for all I care - its a football stadium in name only and even then its a name the owner's choice of sponsor handed us back. And what about the man in the dugout eh? A bloke who once offered fans on. And speaking of the fans... I personally have nothing in common with thousands who go, thousands who go not for the football, not for the desire to see attacking football and wins but who go because they have nowt better to do on a saturday. Because its either that or out shopping with the missus. Football for fans used to be about belonging, dreaming, hoping and having pride in your club, the team and everything about it. NUFC under Mike Ashley isn't Newcastle United and never will be and that is why a loss doesn't hurt me or why relegation wouldn't bother me. In fact nothing about NUFC bothers me today. I get more joy watching Gateshead. NUFC can rot for all I care and I hope all those wankers that support Ashley endure nothing but misery. Then again, winning the finances and getting a wave from the manager is like winning the league to them. Misery would probably be a foreigner in charge and spending millions on a player. Modern football - urgh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. It's not just on the pitch either. I flicked through SSN on at 5pm on Monday and they had the transfer totaliser at £106m. Went back after 11pm and it was still at £106m. There's a million men around the UK who sat through all that, not to mention the hundreds that worked through the night beaming the information vaccum back and forth live from grounds around the country. People think they were entertained by THAT, but they're mistaken, they were lulled into a street hustlers trick, a sleight of hand that transformed absolutely nothing into absolutely nothing stretched over 6 hours with 2 hours dedicated to adverts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. It's not just on the pitch either. I flicked through SSN on at 5pm on Monday and they had the transfer totaliser at £106m. Went back after 11pm and it was still at £106m. There's a million men around the UK who sat through all that, not to mention the hundreds that worked through the night beaming the information vaccum back and forth live from grounds around the country. People think they were entertained by THAT, but they're mistaken, they were lulled into a street hustlers trick, a sleight of hand that transformed absolutely nothing into absolutely nothing stretched over 6 hours with 2 hours dedicated to adverts. The whole January transfer window makes me sick for the above reasoning. That, combined with the fact we only seem to lose our best players at present just makes for a horrendous experience. The best thing to come out of the window is Natalie Sawyer or whatever she is called for most people, and without wanting to sound chauvinistic, I don't watch football for pretty women. Football is becoming so Americanised / modernised... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. It's not just on the pitch either. I flicked through SSN on at 5pm on Monday and they had the transfer totaliser at £106m. Went back after 11pm and it was still at £106m. There's a million men around the UK who sat through all that, not to mention the hundreds that worked through the night beaming the information vaccum back and forth live from grounds around the country. People think they were entertained by THAT, but they're mistaken, they were lulled into a street hustlers trick, a sleight of hand that transformed absolutely nothing into absolutely nothing stretched over 6 hours with 2 hours dedicated to adverts. The whole January transfer window makes me sick for the above reasoning. That, combined with the fact we only seem to lose our best players at present just makes for a horrendous experience. The best thing to come out of the window is Natalie Sawyer or whatever she is called for most people, and without wanting to sound chauvinistic, I don't watch football for pretty women. Football is becoming so Americanised / modernised... Blame it on the people that purchase Sky Sports imo. If no-one bought it, Football would still be the people's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. It's not just on the pitch either. I flicked through SSN on at 5pm on Monday and they had the transfer totaliser at £106m. Went back after 11pm and it was still at £106m. There's a million men around the UK who sat through all that, not to mention the hundreds that worked through the night beaming the information vaccum back and forth live from grounds around the country. People think they were entertained by THAT, but they're mistaken, they were lulled into a street hustlers trick, a sleight of hand that transformed absolutely nothing into absolutely nothing stretched over 6 hours with 2 hours dedicated to adverts. The whole January transfer window makes me sick for the above reasoning. That, combined with the fact we only seem to lose our best players at present just makes for a horrendous experience. The best thing to come out of the window is Natalie Sawyer or whatever she is called for most people, and without wanting to sound chauvinistic, I don't watch football for pretty women. Football is becoming so Americanised / modernised... Blame it on the people that purchase Sky Sports imo. If no-one bought it, Football would still be the people's game. Well, as it happens I have Sky TV so I am thinking of getting rid of it and just opting for the internet. For all of the above reasoning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. It's not just on the pitch either. I flicked through SSN on at 5pm on Monday and they had the transfer totaliser at £106m. Went back after 11pm and it was still at £106m. There's a million men around the UK who sat through all that, not to mention the hundreds that worked through the night beaming the information vaccum back and forth live from grounds around the country. People think they were entertained by THAT, but they're mistaken, they were lulled into a street hustlers trick, a sleight of hand that transformed absolutely nothing into absolutely nothing stretched over 6 hours with 2 hours dedicated to adverts. The whole January transfer window makes me sick for the above reasoning. That, combined with the fact we only seem to lose our best players at present just makes for a horrendous experience. The best thing to come out of the window is Natalie Sawyer or whatever she is called for most people, and without wanting to sound chauvinistic, I don't watch football for pretty women. Football is becoming so Americanised / modernised... Blame it on the people that purchase Sky Sports imo. If no-one bought it, Football would still be the people's game. But people, you know, like watching football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 In the 90s you wouldn't have heard any one saying 'Nah man this is just a blip. Our real position is mid-table.' Maybe because dreaming was allowed and encouraged back then like. Even if you think this is where the club should be at, the mere thought of accepting a place in some sort of set order contradicts every inch of enjoyment in being a fan. Both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The greater society has also been dumbed down to the extent that almost anything is classed as entertainment now. It's not just on the pitch either. I flicked through SSN on at 5pm on Monday and they had the transfer totaliser at £106m. Went back after 11pm and it was still at £106m. There's a million men around the UK who sat through all that, not to mention the hundreds that worked through the night beaming the information vaccum back and forth live from grounds around the country. People think they were entertained by THAT, but they're mistaken, they were lulled into a street hustlers trick, a sleight of hand that transformed absolutely nothing into absolutely nothing stretched over 6 hours with 2 hours dedicated to adverts. The whole January transfer window makes me sick for the above reasoning. That, combined with the fact we only seem to lose our best players at present just makes for a horrendous experience. The best thing to come out of the window is Natalie Sawyer or whatever she is called for most people, and without wanting to sound chauvinistic, I don't watch football for pretty women. Football is becoming so Americanised / modernised... Blame it on the people that purchase Sky Sports imo. If no-one bought it, Football would still be the people's game. But people, you know, like watching football. So do I, but not also supporting players 'earning' ridiculous wages. So I watch online or from foreign providers. You can't have it both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 In the 90s you wouldn't have heard any one saying 'Nah man this is just a blip. Our real position is mid-table.' Maybe because dreaming was allowed and encouraged back then like. Even if you think this is where the club should be at, the mere thought of accepting a place in some sort of set order contradicts every inch of enjoyment in being a fan. There wasn't the false ceiling of the top of the league being locked in, in the 90's. What is enjoyment as a fan ? Watching a game and hopefully winning more of those than losing I reckon. IMO it is the fact that it is not a real competition anymore that makes the mediocrity position feel locked in more than any other factor, the current NUFC approach may make it feel more so, but it ain't the root cause, again IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 How is actively throwing away cups and focussing on income over football not a root cause? Swansea have won a trophy and are a comfortable prem outfit with loftier ambition, Southampton have been the buzz word this season for countering the status quo. Everyone is a selling club mantra aside, those clubs mentioned are in no way ran even remotely like ours, yet sell and still have momentum and drive. Most other clubs the football is still the priority and ours isn't. The way we are run is a far bigger barrier than 'well that's the way football is these days. The media don't like it when the status quo is disrupted. Doesn't mean it can't be or anyone should accept their lot and be happy with the old scalp now and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 How is actively throwing away cups and focussing on income over football not a root cause? Swansea have won a trophy and are a comfortable prem outfit with loftier ambition, Southampton have been the buzz word this season for countering the status quo. Everyone is a selling club mantra aside, those clubs mentioned are in no way ran even remotely like ours, yet sell and still have momentum and drive. Most other clubs the football is still the priority and ours isn't. The way we are run is a far bigger barrier than 'well that's the way football is these days. The media don't like it when the status quo is disrupted. Doesn't mean it can't be or anyone should accept their lot and be happy with the old scalp now and then. Who's happy I'm just beyond getting desperately upset is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 In the 90s you wouldn't have heard any one saying 'Nah man this is just a blip. Our real position is mid-table.' Maybe because dreaming was allowed and encouraged back then like. Even if you think this is where the club should be at, the mere thought of accepting a place in some sort of set order contradicts every inch of enjoyment in being a fan. There wasn't the false ceiling of the top of the league being locked in, in the 90's. What is enjoyment as a fan ? Watching a game and hopefully winning more of those than losing I reckon. IMO it is the fact that it is not a real competition anymore that makes the mediocrity position feel locked in more than any other factor, the current NUFC approach may make it feel more so, but it ain't the root cause, again IMO. Sorry but that's bullshit. It is very much a real competition, especially if you're the 19th richest club in the world despite trying to shrink yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What is enjoyment as a fan ? Watching a game and hopefully winning more of those than losing I reckon. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What is enjoyment as a fan ? Watching a game and hopefully winning more of those than losing I reckon. :lol: Grim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 This one still going on? He ewas at it when I left 2 days ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 He drinks out of a SportsDirect mug and carries his stuff in a bag for life from SportsDirect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Love those bags, like. "Do you want a bag for life for 3 pence?" "Er... yeah ok" *bag explodes* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 How is actively throwing away cups and focussing on income over football not a root cause? Swansea have won a trophy and are a comfortable prem outfit with loftier ambition, Southampton have been the buzz word this season for countering the status quo. Everyone is a selling club mantra aside, those clubs mentioned are in no way ran even remotely like ours, yet sell and still have momentum and drive. Most other clubs the football is still the priority and ours isn't. The way we are run is a far bigger barrier than 'well that's the way football is these days. The media don't like it when the status quo is disrupted. Doesn't mean it can't be or anyone should accept their lot and be happy with the old scalp now and then. Who's happy I'm just beyond getting desperately upset is all. Not saying anyone is happy but I disagree with our situation being down to the status and hierarchies of teams in the modern game. It's significantly down to mike Ashley and not the status of the other teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 That's true, but it's all part of the same issue. If it costs hundreds of millions to win anything, more and more people will decide they shouldn't bother trying. Ashley might not try even if it was cheaper though, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 How is actively throwing away cups and focussing on income over football not a root cause? Swansea have won a trophy and are a comfortable prem outfit with loftier ambition, Southampton have been the buzz word this season for countering the status quo. Everyone is a selling club mantra aside, those clubs mentioned are in no way ran even remotely like ours, yet sell and still have momentum and drive. Most other clubs the football is still the priority and ours isn't. The way we are run is a far bigger barrier than 'well that's the way football is these days. The media don't like it when the status quo is disrupted. Doesn't mean it can't be or anyone should accept their lot and be happy with the old scalp now and then. Who's happy I'm just beyond getting desperately upset is all. Not saying anyone is happy but I disagree with our situation being down to the status and hierarchies of teams in the modern game. It's significantly down to mike Ashley and not the status of the other teams. There's 82 other groups of fans who must wonder what the fuck we're so fed up about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think any other club would understand why we feel this way if they were in our scenario. To be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think any other club would understand why we feel this way if they were in our scenario. To be fair. I think many would give their right arms to be in our situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 We've tasted excitement and success so recently as well, I think that makes it harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think any other club would understand why we feel this way if they were in our scenario. To be fair. I think many would give their right arms to be in our situation. Depends how you define the situation, I guess...and it's back to the start of the debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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