Mike Ashley

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I'd happily pay 1K to watch an NUFC side as good as KK's or Sir Bobby's trying to actually win things and in a pleasing way too. Given the amount of good money I spend on tat in my life it would be well worth it.

 

To watch what Pardew serves up.... I would pay a tenner a ticket!

 

That said, I reckon lower ticket prices is a good thing and I wouldn't like to see ours rise even if we were playing good stuff and doing well.

 

Our commercial revenue is appalling though. We have a very shitty kit deal, a shitty sponsor deal and we get nowt in advertising around the ground and even what we do get is from local firms meaning pennies. We outsourced our catering and even the club shop and website makes f*** all.

 

The corporate end is dead these days, people just don't want to pay good money to watch a s*** team and a toxic brand.

 

When KK was manager big companies and very rich men were fighting to get a box and to get tickets. Same with Sir Bobby's era. Today anyone on here can get a seat in an executive box even against the mackems.

 

You do realise what outsourcing means don't you ??

 

It usually means you get a better deal than the cost of running something yourself. Which furthermore is guaranteed for the length of the contract, no ups and downs, guaranteed steady moolah.

 

The commercial revenue is poor, granted, but to sell corporate you've got to have a company with major presence in an area to entertain visitors. Not so sure there's that many around here now, certainly not with schmoosing, entertainment budgets like they used to be.

 

Of course I do, I'm a business owner/manager.

 

For me, outsourcing is like handing over a bit of your business to someone else. While we no doubt get a steady return over the course of a few years, we have no control over the quality nor can we improve our margins while tied to such a deal. To me, its a kop-out. Under FS we made decent money from catering and events and such. I think we make like 2m a year from this as it stands which is p*ss poor to be honest. 53,000 fans every other week and thousands of people working and being in and around SJP every week?

 

Ashley outsourcing is another clear sign of an exit strategy btw.

 

Me, if I were Ashley I'd buy a Macdonald's franchise and stick one in each stand. The club would make a fortune. I'd even bolt one to the stadium for non-match days too.

 

OK you don't understand outsourcing then.

 

Businesses don't hand over "core" business they outsource peripheral stuff. NUFC's core business is not making/sourcing pies/sausage rolls or brewing/selling beer or bovril.

 

Companies who do catering (for example) are geared to be able to undertake the same catering for less (economies of scale) than a non-catering company trying to set up a catering side-line. You don't outsource to make less money, you outsource to make more money.

 

All the money you get from an outsourced deal is 100% margin, you have no overhead, run it yourself and your margin is variable.

 

BTW SJH first outsourced the catering.

 

Seems like I don't when you put it like that

 

Anyway, its something I personally wouldn't do myself. I can see why Ashley would though, along with other areas of the club as he has no interest in the long-term or building something, he wants the club to cost as little as possible to run and to claw as back as much as it can for him so he can get out.

[Toonpack]

I'd happily pay 1K to watch an NUFC side as good as KK's or Sir Bobby's trying to actually win things and in a pleasing way too. Given the amount of good money I spend on tat in my life it would be well worth it.

 

To watch what Pardew serves up.... I would pay a tenner a ticket!

 

That said, I reckon lower ticket prices is a good thing and I wouldn't like to see ours rise even if we were playing good stuff and doing well.

 

Our commercial revenue is appalling though. We have a very shitty kit deal, a shitty sponsor deal and we get nowt in advertising around the ground and even what we do get is from local firms meaning pennies. We outsourced our catering and even the club shop and website makes f*** all.

 

The corporate end is dead these days, people just don't want to pay good money to watch a s*** team and a toxic brand.

 

When KK was manager big companies and very rich men were fighting to get a box and to get tickets. Same with Sir Bobby's era. Today anyone on here can get a seat in an executive box even against the mackems.

 

You do realise what outsourcing means don't you ??

 

It usually means you get a better deal than the cost of running something yourself. Which furthermore is guaranteed for the length of the contract, no ups and downs, guaranteed steady moolah.

 

The commercial revenue is poor, granted, but to sell corporate you've got to have a company with major presence in an area to entertain visitors. Not so sure there's that many around here now, certainly not with schmoosing, entertainment budgets like they used to be.

 

Of course I do, I'm a business owner/manager.

 

For me, outsourcing is like handing over a bit of your business to someone else. While we no doubt get a steady return over the course of a few years, we have no control over the quality nor can we improve our margins while tied to such a deal. To me, its a kop-out. Under FS we made decent money from catering and events and such. I think we make like 2m a year from this as it stands which is p*ss poor to be honest. 53,000 fans every other week and thousands of people working and being in and around SJP every week?

 

Ashley outsourcing is another clear sign of an exit strategy btw.

 

Me, if I were Ashley I'd buy a Macdonald's franchise and stick one in each stand. The club would make a fortune. I'd even bolt one to the stadium for non-match days too.

 

OK you don't understand outsourcing then.

 

Businesses don't hand over "core" business they outsource peripheral stuff. NUFC's core business is not making/sourcing pies/sausage rolls or brewing/selling beer or bovril.

 

Companies who do catering (for example) are geared to be able to undertake the same catering for less (economies of scale) than a non-catering company trying to set up a catering side-line. You don't outsource to make less money, you outsource to make more money.

 

All the money you get from an outsourced deal is 100% margin, you have no overhead, run it yourself and your margin is variable.

 

BTW SJH first outsourced the catering.

 

Seems like I don't when you put it like that

 

Anyway, its something I personally wouldn't do myself. I can see why Ashley would though, along with other areas of the club as he has no interest in the long-term or building something, he wants the club to cost as little as possible to run and to claw as back as much as it can for him so he can get out.

 

Every fan should want that, leaves more "margin" for the team (even if he recoups some of his £££'s along the way). Also I reiterate, SJH started the outsourcing, it's really not a bad/negative thing.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I'd happily pay 1K to watch an NUFC side as good as KK's or Sir Bobby's trying to actually win things and in a pleasing way too. Given the amount of good money I spend on tat in my life it would be well worth it.

 

To watch what Pardew serves up.... I would pay a tenner a ticket!

 

That said, I reckon lower ticket prices is a good thing and I wouldn't like to see ours rise even if we were playing good stuff and doing well.

 

Our commercial revenue is appalling though. We have a very shitty kit deal, a shitty sponsor deal and we get nowt in advertising around the ground and even what we do get is from local firms meaning pennies. We outsourced our catering and even the club shop and website makes f*** all.

 

The corporate end is dead these days, people just don't want to pay good money to watch a s*** team and a toxic brand.

 

When KK was manager big companies and very rich men were fighting to get a box and to get tickets. Same with Sir Bobby's era. Today anyone on here can get a seat in an executive box even against the mackems.

 

You do realise what outsourcing means don't you ??

 

It usually means you get a better deal than the cost of running something yourself. Which furthermore is guaranteed for the length of the contract, no ups and downs, guaranteed steady moolah.

 

The commercial revenue is poor, granted, but to sell corporate you've got to have a company with major presence in an area to entertain visitors. Not so sure there's that many around here now, certainly not with schmoosing, entertainment budgets like they used to be.

 

Of course I do, I'm a business owner/manager.

 

For me, outsourcing is like handing over a bit of your business to someone else. While we no doubt get a steady return over the course of a few years, we have no control over the quality nor can we improve our margins while tied to such a deal. To me, its a kop-out. Under FS we made decent money from catering and events and such. I think we make like 2m a year from this as it stands which is p*ss poor to be honest. 53,000 fans every other week and thousands of people working and being in and around SJP every week?

 

Ashley outsourcing is another clear sign of an exit strategy btw.

 

Me, if I were Ashley I'd buy a Macdonald's franchise and stick one in each stand. The club would make a fortune. I'd even bolt one to the stadium for non-match days too.

 

OK you don't understand outsourcing then.

 

Businesses don't hand over "core" business they outsource peripheral stuff. NUFC's core business is not making/sourcing pies/sausage rolls or brewing/selling beer or bovril.

 

Companies who do catering (for example) are geared to be able to undertake the same catering for less (economies of scale) than a non-catering company trying to set up a catering side-line. You don't outsource to make less money, you outsource to make more money.

 

All the money you get from an outsourced deal is 100% margin, you have no overhead, run it yourself and your margin is variable.

 

BTW SJH first outsourced the catering.

 

Seems like I don't when you put it like that

 

Anyway, its something I personally wouldn't do myself. I can see why Ashley would though, along with other areas of the club as he has no interest in the long-term or building something, he wants the club to cost as little as possible to run and to claw as back as much as it can for him so he can get out.

 

Every fan should want that, leaves more "margin" for the team (even if he recoups some of his £££'s along the way). Also I reiterate, SJH started the outsourcing, it's really not a bad/negative thing.

 

I do, but not to the point where areas then become neglected or go stale. For example SJP is badly in need of modernising.

 

The corporate areas which is where we should be trying to bring in better money is a piss take. Floor tiles missing, stools and chairs falling apart etc.

 

 

[BottledDog]

Are people suggesting an expensive lawyer as a preferable director of football.

 

 

Think I'll be forever bemused at the love that Chris Mort still generates.

 

It's almost as if you always manage to be behind whatever Ashley's up to at any given time, without ever going to the trouble of criticising any past decisions in any detail.

 

Is Mr Mort your dad or summink?

 

I think you'll find the times people feel the need to look at it from the other side (which apparently grinds your gears something rotten) is precisely because someone hasn't gone to the trouble of criticising past decisions in any detail beyond 'he's a nonsensical cnut'.

 

Oh, and I'm proper loving his latest stunt by the way. Totally behind it.

 

I just find the comment strange, how come you weren't crying out for a Director of Football when the lawyer was in charge, or when the casino owner was in charge?

 

Err, probably because (outside of the rare occasion a manager actually wants one like AVB at the spuds) I'd never normally cry out for a director of football.

 

If we must have one, then I'd rather even Joe 'fackin' Kinnear over someone who has practically no involvement in actual football.

[Exiled in Texas]

Sports Direct already own Lillywhites in Piccadilly Circus, and that place is always packed.  I would imagine that his Oxford St location will be stocked and managed similar to Lillywhites.

[JH]

Wa wa wa there's nothing we can do about Ashley.

 

Pfft...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23109817

 

[Rich]

Will that make a buyer magically appear?

[NEEJ]

It's a good sales pitch imo. 'Buy our club, do a good job and you won't have chairs thrown at your head.'

[Away Toon]

If Fulham can get sold in a day, for a good (rumoured) price, how come this twit can't sell the club. We know he's trying.

[Kimbo]

The guy that's buying Fulham is probably mainly interested in owning real estate in London. There's non-footballing reasons behind most of these sales.

[Ronaldo]

Location is a big reason for the lack of interest, I'm sure.

[Away Toon]

A pity if that's the case. The future under Ashley, irrespective of the Pardew and JFK factors, is bleak at best and potentially catastrophic.

[merlin]

A pity if that's the case. The future under Ashley, irrespective of the Pardew and JFK factors, is bleak at best and potentially catastrophic.

 

Sad, but true - get used to it, though, because we are stuck with this for a long time.......

[MW]

I have forgotten our situation. Who is actually running the club? Ie doing what llambias did? Is it Kinnear?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I have forgotten our situation. Who is actually running the club? Ie doing what llambias did? Is it Kinnear?

 

Some sort of reshuffle involving Lee Charnley and another bloke on the board. Think JFK is (in theory) concentrating on football matters.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Late to the conversation here but there was a murmuring in a SSN story on Khan tonight that he'll eventually look to move the Jaguars to London as well, or so their fans are beginning to think.

[Dave]

Might register www.hasashleycrashedhishelicopteryet.com.

[Kanj]

Location is a big reason for the lack of interest, I'm sure.

 

Are taxes lower in the North East? Just curious if its location centric like over here in America. Not that it really applies to the topic at hand.

[MW]

Who is khan?

 

I bet Kinnear is heading negotiations

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Who is khan?

 

The dude who just bought Fulham I think. Also owns an NFL team or summat.

[Kanj]

Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's a sound guy who has done his utmost best to galvanize the city of Jacksonville to get into their stadiums. He's modernized the logo, uniforms, etc. He has tons of ticket price offers, they are building a damn pool-like endzone atmosphere to get people into the stadium ffs. He really wants people back in the seats to help obviously his investment, but he genuinely has been investing in the city and local business as well. So far, he's done whatever the fans have asked him to do and he listens.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Fulham is an interesting purchase, limited fan base and location limits stadium expansion as well. Nice day out on a Saturday mind.

[Kanj]

I mean, purchasing Jacksonville to me makes 0 sense as well, but everyone in the city loves the guy and what he's doing/trying to do for keeping that team there.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's a sound guy who has done his utmost best to galvanize the city of Jacksonville to get into their stadiums. He's modernized the logo, uniforms, etc. He has tons of ticket price offers, they are building a damn pool-like endzone atmosphere to get people into the stadium ffs. He really wants people back in the seats to help obviously his investment, but he genuinely has been investing in the city and local business as well. So far, he's done whatever the fans have asked him to do and he listens.

 

He's also doing his best to galvanize the long-dead downtown of Jacksonville.  Doing a very good job at that as well.

[Kanj]

 

Yep, have family in Jacksonville and they rave about him. My cousin lives downtown and is really enjoying the things he's doing in the city as well.

 

Put it this way, if he was our owner, I'd be chuffed. I'd also probably figure out a way to get involved with the club as I probably could get in touch with him.