r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, bringing Hatem Ben Arfa here is good scouting is it? Give me a break, man. It's a no-brainer on a loan and a no-brainer for £5m or whatever. Nowt to do with what Carr offers. I've already acknowledged he probably played a good role in the fantastic Cabaye deal. Ultimately, though, the longer Carr's the chief scout and has transfer parity with management, the longer we're targeting financial value over value on the pitch. Real clubs don't do that. But that has nothing to do with Carr. He's not the one deciding the overall transfer strategy he's the one implementing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The club told the press (including Nixon) that the MYM signing had been planned for a while and had no connection to the Colo situation. Fair enough. Lallana though, what's your made up story about Carr overruling a deal for him? Do your own research if you think I'm making it up. A quick google search brings up one result from a forum member on toonforum.co.uk - I don't think I'll accept that as fact. Seen the story a few times that Pardew wanted Lallana but Carr was adamant that he wasn't good enough for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, bringing Hatem Ben Arfa here is good scouting is it? Give me a break, man. It's a no-brainer on a loan and a no-brainer for £5m or whatever. Nowt to do with what Carr offers. I've already acknowledged he probably played a good role in the fantastic Cabaye deal. Ultimately, though, the longer Carr's the chief scout and has transfer parity with management, the longer we're targeting financial value over value on the pitch. Real clubs don't do that. But that has nothing to do with Carr. He's not the one deciding the overall transfer strategy he's the one implementing it. Nobody said he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Targeting financial value is a directive from the club though, surely. Carr is just finding the best players he can under the constraints he's given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. No he hasn't. Those are the players the club has gone for out of the ones you've recommended. You have no idea who Carr recommends or whether he is or isn't good at his job besides from judging its output. Stop pretending otherwise. I know Carr recommended we pay £7m for MYM when we needed a bigger, more dominant, more instantly PL suited CB. And overruled paying less than £3m for Adam Lallana. Carr's a failed lower league manager who is good at wheeling and dealing average French players through his connections there. He's a vital cog in a horrible transfer system. The sooner Ashley, Pardew, Charnley and him f*** off, the better. As I said then, you have absolutely no idea what happens behind the scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Far more of an idea than you by the sounds of it. None of us know everything for certain regarding Pardew's position, Carr's directives or Ashley's overall plan, or lack thereof. Doesn't mean we can't criticise based on what we do know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So we "know" he's "knocked back" Lallana for 3m do we? Even assuming we do, and we only know this via Pardew don't we (?) are we knocking the guy for one rejection vs the decent deals he's got the club? Not really sure what the point of this is, Carr is not the problem, the problem is the overall balance of transfer and development strategy at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Pardle said on one of those radio phone-ins that Carr and he had to both agree on their targets. He then mentioned that he wanted Lallana and Carr refused. However, we know Pardew is a compulsive yarn spinner but I never saw a rebuttal from Carr tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Pardle said on one of those radio phone-ins that Carr and he had to both agree on their targets. He then mentioned that he wanted Lallana and Carr refused. However, we know Pardew is a compulsive yarn spinner but I never saw a rebuttal from Carr tbh. I remember it from Pardle as well, so that's likely to be true then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Pardew is a screaming liar nothing he says can be believed. I bet he has a tree with one apple on it in his garden, curles himself round at night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Worth mentioning that this was said before Lallana was anything more than a rated recently promoted player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Worth mentioning that this was said before Lallana was anything more than a rated recently promoted player. It is, Pardle probably wanted him at left back and Carr thought he would make a shit left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Me We will get more in before the deadline most likely but I doubt it will be the kind of players we all hope, the fact is we aren't willing to offer anything other than piss take offers for quality players when sometimes you have to stump up and pay at least the going rate, you can't always get a bargain 100% of the time. I fully expect us to target, free transfers loans and players who are in the last 6 months of their contract. It matters not to Ashley how these players benefit us or fit into the team in areas we need, only that they are cheap or have potential sell on value. Our aims are merely to survive in the premier league so he feels he doesn't need to spend decent money. Such is our ambition. Moron Decent money isn't always money well spent. I would prefer to sign players like ba on a free and remy on loan than forking out 17 million on the likes of owen. So i dont care if we only sign free agents and loan signings, it is what they do on the pitch that matters not their price tag. Me You, as most Ashley sympathizers do, are completely missing the point here, I never advocated going out and spending 100 million on mercenaries just for the sake of it. I'm saying when there is an opportunity to sign a quality player for a reasonable price, or the going rate sometimes you have to pay that money to progress as a football club. If there are decent players available on the cheap or on loan then certainly go for that aswell, but there has to be a balance, the simple fact is sometimes you have to spend a bit to go forward. The business model of signing all loans and free transfers is never going to take the club forward. The fact is though Ashley is not interested in taking us forward as a club, as the club have already stated the only aim is premier league survival, which is why unfortunately this is what we're stuck with, and I honestly cannot see how any fan can be happy with this. Moron The value of the player means fuck all, if you think it does then you should give your head a shake. Me You still dont get it, if we could get players as highly rated as the likes of Siem De Jong, Remy Cabella, Clement Grenier etc.... for free or 2 million each then fair enough, but the fact is we CANT as these are quality players and sometimes in order to get these players, teams are required to pay the going rate or at least close to the going rate, we are not willing to do this, and this is one of the many reasons the club will not move forward under Ashley. I'll say it again, I dont want large sums spent for the sake of it or to say we've spent X or Y, its just sometimes its necessary to do so to bring in quality players. Understand? Moron Yes i completely agree, torres valued at 50 million, luiz valued at 50 million, carroll 35 million. They are all fantastic football players we should sign one and offer a high fee. *Facepalm* Just can't argue anymore with this clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 There are unfortunately too many of these in our support which fundamentally holds the club back despite their undying loyalty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Ask him if he'd be happy if Ashley took out 20m dividends per year for the next 10 years or so, because that's exactly what will happen next considering he's not even allowing the club to spend the money it makes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 There are unfortunately too many of these in our support which fundamentally holds the club back despite their undying loyalty Advocating Ashley makes them idiots not loyal. They just enable the parasites who suck the club dry on a daily basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Ask him if he'd be happy if Ashley took out 20m dividends per year for the next 10 years or so, because that's exactly what will happen next considering he's not even allowing the club to spend the money it makes. He's almost done that with the free advertising tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The value of the player means f*** all, if you think it does then you should give your head a shake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The problem is for years on end our fan base has been told they are deluded to expect anything other than mediocrity and that little old Newcastle should be happy with just getting in the odd bargain basement signing here and there, so now the fans with the lower IQ's go out of their way to prove they are not deluded, they do this by advocating that we shouldn't be spending any sort of decent money on players. This sort of fan plays right into the hands of Ashley, and he probably knows it. Some just swallow media bullshit and some are just brain dead also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 There are unfortunately too many of these in our support which fundamentally holds the club back despite their undying loyalty Advocating Ashley makes them idiots not loyal. They just enable the parasites who suck the club dry on a daily basis. Exactly. Only interested in Newcastle United for what they get out of it. An excuse to get away from their pregnant missus for a weekend and expose their meatless frame on MotD. Cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr.Spaceman Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The value of the player means f*** all, if you think it does then you should give your head a shake. Can somebody explain this to me please? I really don't understand why Moron could even come out with something like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Ask him if he'd be happy if Ashley took out 20m dividends per year for the next 10 years or so, because that's exactly what will happen next considering he's not even allowing the club to spend the money it makes. Ask him about the "lost" revenue Sports Direct should be paying. In theory what they've had for free over the last seven years would have gon a long way to paying off what Ashley thinks we owe him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Doesn't matter man, cos there are plenty of Demba Ba standard frees knocking about, so who needs money? No point arguing with people like that on Faceys or wherever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Don't ask him anything, he's a lost cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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