Dogawful Officiating

[El Prontonise]

12 minutes ago, Boo Boy said:

The other 'top ref' didn't give a red card to the millwall keeper and had to be dragged over to the monitor to look at it again.

 

That was Oliver who I think is shite.

 

Can't say that though since he's a toon fan. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

13 hours ago, gbandit said:

Really? I have no recollection of him having a period where he was anything other than total shit. Constantly misreads the game and appears to guess what to do. I think he’s probably in my top two refs to avoid 

Worst thing about him is the dramatic finger wagging when he decides to ignore a blatant foul. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Is the Millwall keeper likely to get an extended ban or will he and Gordon both get 3 games? And is there any chance we can get Oliver reffing the Liverpool Soton game with a few soft reds please

[Kaizero]

On 02/03/2025 at 09:22, joeyt said:

You can't compare a quick glance at the lino to having in the back of your mind that VAR could cancel a goal for any reason minutes after the goal has been scored

 

You absolutely can. The amount of times it's been unclear whether a goal would receive a VAR review taking a negligible amount of time longer than it takes a linesman to decide whether to raise their flag or not is so low I can't even think of any examples off the top of my head. As a non-local, and thus someone that watches most our games on the TV rather than in-person, my experience is that I know quicker (from the commentators) that a VAR review is to take place than I'd know a lino had raised their flag for offside (as you'd have to wait for the camera to cut to the linesman before you'd know). 

 

Whilst I understand that it's vastly different when watching in person in a stadium, as you can just look at the lino yourself rather than wait for the feed to cut to the lino with a raised flag – the fact I know in the back of my mind that the feed could cut to a lino with a raised flag, sometimes taking up to a minute to do so, doesn't have any effect on my immediate joy/celebration of a goal. I'd only restrain any joy/celebration of a goal scored that I'd seen something that could make it be overturned happen in the build-up with my own eyes, thus expecting either a raised flag or a VAR check.

 

I realize that the actual argument I was trying to make has become lost in a semantics discussion, though. That being the fact there's so many valid, genuine, and reasonable arguments that could be made against VAR. Either with the intent of having it stop being used, forcing faster and greater development of the technology and/or the concept as a hole – all being lost/not raised due to the obsession the majority of football fans who actively raise their voices in dissent have with the "impacting how I celebrate goals" issue. That issue is a non-starter for FA's and other Footballing organizations, due to the variety of reasons I've already raised several times, which in turn only make the complaints act as the perfect smokescreen for VAR to not actually be put under any public scrutiny/criticisms holding water. 

 

During the last EC we even saw it play out in the media, as the clicks/views from enraged fans complaining about referee/VAR decisions got their flames fanned by clickbait-articles and VAR-specific debates on TV – rather than any of the experts just calmly pointing out the fact that the referees/VAR were making correct calls and was being utilized properly, just that FIFA/IFAB had made horrid adjustments to the Laws of the Game two-three weeks ahead of the EC and nobody knew about the alterations made yet. In an ideal world, the outrage would have been about the unnecessary, dumb, changes to the Laws of the Game – getting them successfully overturned  to what they used to be – instead of FIFA/IFAB getting away with it, all thanks to their beloved smokescreen, VAR. 

 

I have many things against VAR and how it's being implemented/utilized, and as I've already said, I'd back a motion to stop using it until such a time when the technology was already close to perfect prior to its implementation – rather than it being developed in use. Much like the NFL did when their first attempt at video refereeing failed, they didn't "force it through" claiming it being in use was what would remedy its many existing flaws. They put it on the shelf until the providers offering the service had a product that worked as advertised. In that sense, I'm way more anti-VAR than I am pro-VAR, at present. I'm just beyond frustrated and annoyed by the fact the majority of people who could actively be making a difference are choosing to focus on something that isn't even a thing, but something they've made themselves do based on their own thoughts about the mere existence of something. 

 

Instead, we're just letting FIFA keep on keeping on and accepting it, because not complaining about tangible real things and having those complaints amplified by the media won't bring about any actual change. 

 

The fact there's not even a universal rulebook for referees on how to utilize and implement VAR into their refereeing is disgraceful. Currently, it is up to each individual nation's FA's to instruct their referees on how to utilize and implement VAR into their game – which is very visible when watching any European game, as referees from different nation have different "instructions" on how to use VAR, leading to outrage amongst fans of a team from a nation where their referees utilize VAR completely different than the refs in the game they're watching does. 

[Kaizero]

On 02/03/2025 at 10:57, Hanshithispantz said:

Any arguments @Kaizero?

 

 

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There's no need to make an argument against something that's not even put forward as an argument, it's just subjective opinion written as a novelization. VAR doesn't line the pockets of anyone, it's fucking expensive. Nobody is saying kids matches should have VAR technology used, nor could that ever be a reality due to the high costs incurred by implementing it. 

 

It also seems to argue that VAR somehow creates "distrust", when it is proven to increase the amount of correct decisions made by referees (even though it still has errors – which is why I'm of the opinion it shouldn't have been introduced until they'd sorted all those issues out, and in favor of "benching" VAR until they do).

 

The PL itself (I'm aware its a biased source and could have reached the numbers it's done by adapting stats to fit said bias) has claimed VAR has made a PL season now have 96% correct decisions vs. 82% pre-VAR. Now, someone else brought up "who decides what a correct/incorrect decision was after the fact", which is very easy to answer; anyone familiar with the Laws of the Game and/or any national FA imposed rules to consider, reviewing the footage of incidents that occured. It goes without saying that some of these incidents will be so close they just couldn't objectively be called for either player/side, even with hindsight. But the majority of decisions/incidents can be objectively called by referencing the Laws of the Game and/or any local rules that may or may not apply.

 

 

 

All that said, my main argument to the weird England-fanfic bit in your spoiler, would be this:

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[JigsawGoesToPieces]

On 02/03/2025 at 22:36, Armchair Pundit said:

Amazing that in one game a referee can influence the outcome of our entire season - going from still being in two cups and chasing Europe, to ending one cup run, sabotaging the final of another and also weakening our squad for the league run-in, all with some wank officiating. Do I blame Gordon? A little, but nowhere near as much as the ref in today's match. I know the FA think the sun shines out of his arse, but personally, I thought he was shit today.

 

A little?

 

I blame Gordon a lot. 

 

Not the refs fault Gordon decided to bitch slapp a Brighton player. Gordons stupididity cost us there as if we wasnt so thick he woupdnt have been sent off

 

Lampety then gets sent off and we have 30 mins advantage to win the game.

[joeyt]

7 hours ago, Kaizero said:

 

You absolutely can. The amount of times it's been unclear whether a goal would receive a VAR review taking a negligible amount of time longer than it takes a linesman to decide whether to raise their flag or not is so low I can't even think of any examples off the top of my head. As a non-local, and thus someone that watches most our games on the TV rather than in-person, my experience is that I know quicker (from the commentators) that a VAR review is to take place than I'd know a lino had raised their flag for offside (as you'd have to wait for the camera to cut to the linesman before you'd know). 

 

Again this just isn't true

[joeyt]

And also that's the whole point.

 

We know there's going to be VAR looking at everything for every single goal which is why we can't celebrate properly as you have to constantly try to think about the passage of play you've just watched to think of any reason that VAR might get involved. 

 

It's exhausting and takes the emotion away from that moment

[mattypnufc]

Tbf, Schars at the weekend I didn't celebrate too wildly as I thought he was offside from my seat in the Leazes. But aye, it should be a quick check to the linesman and then that should be it. I'm not having this offside by a toe/end of a cock/pube any longer mind. Fuck VAR.