madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Poor display from the ref yesterday. Gave Bournemouth the green light to stop us by repeated fouling that went unpunished beyond free kicks. It's the most frustrating thing in football for me at the minute, referees know why teams are doing it but refuse to yellow card for obvious deliberate fouling. Also the way Gordon is being targeted with no protection from refs is getting hard to take. See the way he's upended early then a different player does it next time, then someone else. So obvious and nothing is done. Some sanction needs to be done for repeated team fouling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 19 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Thought he was good for a bit, I prefer refs that let things go, and the decisions have been fine, but they should have like 4 yellow cards. In terms of the fouls I thought he mostly called them right, for both sides The criminal part was the lack of yellow cards, all that did was give them a licence to kick us more and more Christie should have been on a yellow already before he raked the back of Bruno's leg, he makes that challenge he wasn't booked already Same for Senesi, clear yellow card on Miggy not given, which then allows him to bring down Barnes in the second half That made it a shocking performance from the referee, allowed some players an extra kick/foul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I thought we were too shit to blame the officials for our game. However, the Robertson one on Toney is as blatant a penalty you'll ever see. The Caicedo one on Doku looks like a stamp and is dangerous play regardless of intent. Right in front of the ref and he doesn't even get a yellow! The handball looks like arm moving to ball. I think you've got to give it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I still don't understand yesterday's penalty incident. Why was it not offside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 22 fouls. Plenty of them slide tackles from behind or cynical ones stopping attacks. 3 yellows 11 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I still don't understand yesterday's penalty incident. Why was it not offside? Wasn’t a footballing action or words to that effect. Wasn’t involved in play and going for the ball? so not deemed offside, I guess. Seems a bit odd that you can then give a penalty if he’s not involved. But it was a clear shirt pull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 49 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: 22 fouls. Plenty of them slide tackles from behind or cynical ones stopping attacks. 3 yellows Wasn’t a footballing action or words to that effect. Wasn’t involved in play and going for the ball? so not deemed offside, I guess. Seems a bit odd that you can then give a penalty if he’s not involved. But it was a clear shirt pull. It might be the modern laws of the game, but I think we got very lucky with that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: I still don't understand yesterday's penalty incident. Why was it not offside? As the foul occurred before Schar was in the action of attempting to make contact with the ball, the 1st offence is the shirt pull. At that point there is no guarantee that Schar, unimpeded, would have got to the ball or significantly influenced play. IMO that seems the correct thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said: 22 fouls. Plenty of them slide tackles from behind or cynical ones stopping attacks. 3 yellows Wasn’t a footballing action or words to that effect. Wasn’t involved in play and going for the ball? so not deemed offside, I guess. Seems a bit odd that you can then give a penalty if he’s not involved. But it was a clear shirt pull. Whats odd about it ? Imagine a player is in an offside position but not directly interfering at that phase but a defender grabs him from behind and throws him to the ground. Is that a pen ? It's exactly the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Here's a thought though, the offence starred outside the box and carried on inside but I'm not sure the defender made it into the box because of the stretch if the shirt, so attacker inside the box, defender out..... where is the offence committed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, madras said: Here's a thought though, the offence starred outside the box and carried on inside but I'm not sure the defender made it into the box because of the stretch if the shirt, so attacker inside the box, defender out..... where is the offence committed? I thought if the contact carries on into the box. It’s a pen. Same as Burn on Ogbene. Schar was in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, Lush Vlad said: I thought if the contact carries on into the box. It’s a pen. Same as Burn on Ogbene. Schar was in the box. But was the defender, did the stretched shirt cover the 18yd line. Is it Schrodingers penalty of being both inside and outside the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tsunami said: As the foul occurred before Schar was in the action of attempting to make contact with the ball, the 1st offence is the shirt pull. At that point there is no guarantee that Schar, unimpeded, would have got to the ball or significantly influenced play. IMO that seems the correct thing to do. That's 1 version of the laws, the other is they didn't deem schar to be offside. Motd explained both scenarios. Edited February 18 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I don't think it was a pen, it's offside first and foremost and would be pissed off if it was given at the other end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: I don't think it was a pen, it's offside first and foremost and would be pissed off if it was given at the other end. If an attacker had scored a header from that cross 5ft to the right of Schar, would you expect it to be ruled out for offside ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 36 minutes ago, Tsunami said: As the foul occurred before Schar was in the action of attempting to make contact with the ball, the 1st offence is the shirt pull. At that point there is no guarantee that Schar, unimpeded, would have got to the ball or significantly influenced play. IMO that seems the correct thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Atwell cowering behind giving a yellow first instead of brandishing the red right away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, madras said: But was the defender, did the stretched shirt cover the 18yd line. Is it Schrodingers penalty of being both inside and outside the box. I thought about that. I think the answer becomes more clear if you take it to the absurd. Imagine if after Dubravka slipped and Solanke was about to tap in, Gordon fired a taser at him from the halfway line, reducing him to a quivering, pissing wreck on the floor and averting a goal. Would it be a penalty or a free kick in the centre circle? There's your answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, 80 said: I thought about that. I think the answer becomes more clear if you take it to the absurd. Imagine if after Dubravka slipped and Solanke was about to tap in, Gordon fired a taser at him from the halfway line, reducing him to a quivering, pissing wreck on the floor and averting a goal. Would it be a penalty or a free kick in the centre circle? There's your answer Only one way to know for sure. I say we do it V Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 To carry it on what if the initial blast of the tazer was when the attacker was outside the box but he was still being tazed as he went down just inside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, madras said: To carry it on what if the initial blast of the tazer was when the attacker was outside the box but he was still being tazed as he went down just inside? The Dan Burn precedent says that would be treated as though the victim was inside the area. Not clear on how it's seen if the victim's convulsions propel their body out of the penalty area, though. Controversial one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Schar handball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Really shockingly bad in that even with my Newcastle bias it was obvious to me that he gave us fucking everything. If I was a Blackburn fan I'd have been raging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Agreed, we definitely go the rub of the green from the ref tonight, thought he had a shocker tbh, but thankfully in our favour. Loads of 50/50s that he gave us, nothing huge or important but enough of them to piss of a Blackburn fan I'd imagine. It happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 22 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Schar handball. That was absolutely insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Didn't he just play the advantage for the Schär handball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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