Nucasol Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, Froggy said: I honestly think the ref got pretty much every decision wrong with the exception of your penalty. It was an atrocious performance. Welcome to the Howard Webb Refereeing Academy. Peter Bankes is the latest graduate, fucking games up with flying colours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Froggy said: Kudos for being the only one brave enough to say it while the others cry corruption. Burn should have been sent off. Elbowed him twice, the second was with more force after he sized him up with the first. Joelinton sarcastically clapping the ref for 30 straight seconds while on a yellow as well = red. Ref was absolutely awful, but far from corrupt. You can see why someone would cry 'conspiracy' if the overall standard of officiating was decent but one team in particular was on the receiving end of shocking decisions and/or another team seemed to be favoured. But no, the standard of officiating is appalling and everyone in the league has been shafted multiple times this season. There is no conspiracy, it's sheer incompetence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: I honestly think the ref got pretty much every decision wrong with the exception of your penalty. It was an atrocious performance. Don't think so. Handball shouts etc where correct IMO. Casemiro's tackle was a bit nasty so maybe yellow, but he also played the ball. I just think that because he got the red card wrong, players and crowd were shouting every decision. I think he should have just said to Ramsey that you are on a yellow, don't try trick me etc if he thought there was a dive. He lost the game there. First half stoppage was weird but there was a red card and a penalty during extra time. Didn't check how long the play was stopped though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Burn was simply trying to stop Shaw grabbing him. For any other player his elbow would have been no-where near his face. I thought Jo was clapping Cunha for getting him booked but he was stupid to do it. The additional time at the end of the 1st half was a joke. Fernandez continually told Banks to fuck off but that was ok. Ramsey’s 2nd yellow was shocking. That’s not simulation. Banks took so much time to decide it was a penalty that you have to think he was thinking of a way he could ignore the contact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtua Stiva Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Bankes is clearly so stupid that he assumed Joelinton was being sincere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Froggy said: I honestly think the ref got pretty much every decision wrong with the exception of your penalty. It was an atrocious performance. Felt there was a few decisions both ways were he let himself be influenced by the players. Only saw it from my seat but it genuinely didn’t look like he was going to book Ramsey until the Man United players put pressure on him. That was a shameful call mind, if you are going to give a second yellow for that you have to be absolutely certain and it was clear he wasn’t. Pretty much every Newcastle player went over to him at half time to tell him he’d fucked us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: Pretty much every Newcastle player went over to him at half time to tell him he’d fucked us. They should have all got yellows for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Burn should never have been sent off in a million years. Even Joelinton would’ve been very unlucky given the ref basically gets told to fuck off every decision he makes. Especially by people like Bruno F. Edited March 5 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Burn should never have been sent off in a million years. Even Joelinton would’ve been very unlucky given the ref basically gets told to fuck off every decision he makes. Especially by people like Bruno F. Nah, Burns elbows were dirty. He's a lucky boy. "Luke Shaw is 5 foot 10 and that's why he took two elbows to the face" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard as well. Shoe on the other foot you're screaming for reds for both of them and crying corruption when you don't get them. Just the nature of the game. Everyone thinks everyone is against them, but instead of corruption it's just incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Nah, Burns elbows were dirty. He's a lucky boy. "Luke Shaw is 5 foot 10 and that's why he took two elbows to the face" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard as well. Shoe on the other foot you're screaming for reds for both of them and crying corruption when you don't get them. Just the nature of the game. Everyone thinks everyone is against them, but instead of corruption it's just incompetence. That’s the thing here though you should referee the first offence, which was Shaw having two hands full of Burns shirt and both arms wrapped round him. I appreciate as a Man Utd fan you’d not be aware of the rules, given they’ve not applied to you for most of the last 3 decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Burn was naughty. But I can see why players get frustrated. Shaw was holding him and the ref is just going to let it slide. Ref should have a word and help manage the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: That’s the thing here though you should referee the first offence, which was Shaw having two hands full of Burns shirt and both arms wrapped round him. I appreciate as a Man Utd fan you’d not be aware of the rules, given they’ve not applied to you for most of the last 3 decades. Dan Burns elbow on Luke Shaw (no VAR review) : r/soccer Feel free to show the shirt tug. Also feel free to completely ignore the unnecessary second elbow thrown with force. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Keefaz said: Burn was naughty. But I can see why players get frustrated. Shaw was holding him and the ref is just going to let it slide. Ref should have a word and help manage the game. Inconsistent, incompetent shitehawks the lot of them, but there's no corruption. If there was it would have been very easy to send off three Newcastle players last night. Still not convinced we would have won 11 vs. 8 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just seen that Bankes was on VAR for the Chally body slam on Gordon, he's no stranger to incompetence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 51 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: Felt there was a few decisions both ways were he let himself be influenced by the players. Only saw it from my seat but it genuinely didn’t look like he was going to book Ramsey until the Man United players put pressure on him. That was a shameful call mind, if you are going to give a second yellow for that you have to be absolutely certain and it was clear he wasn’t. Pretty much every Newcastle player went over to him at half time to tell him he’d fucked us. Haven't seen it back but I'm pretty sure the ref originally signalled for a goal kick, ie not a free kick for a dive. Then the Man Utd players surround him and suddenly he thinks it's a dive and a yellow card Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: Inconsistent, incompetent shitehawks the lot of them, but there's no corruption. If there was it would have been very easy to send off three Newcastle players last night. Still not convinced we would have won 11 vs. 8 though. State of officiating now seems worse than ever. I had this down as a nailed-on loss, given our recent form. Don't think your lads really turned up, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 21 minutes ago, Froggy said: Nah, Burns elbows were dirty. He's a lucky boy. "Luke Shaw is 5 foot 10 and that's why he took two elbows to the face" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard as well. Shoe on the other foot you're screaming for reds for both of them and crying corruption when you don't get them. Just the nature of the game. Everyone thinks everyone is against them, but instead of corruption it's just incompetence. One of my most hated arguments and totally wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Keefaz said: State of officiating now seems worse than ever. I had this down as a nailed-on loss, given our recent form. Don't think your lads really turned up, tbh. We have struggled at SJP for years, and you always show up against us so I didn't think form would matter at all. Adding to that, our performances since the Arsenal game have declined steadily with every game. I expected a loss, but once we were a man up I didn't expect such a pathetic defeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I was half expecting a VAR review for Burn and are l agree with the view that the ref was terrible rather than corrupt. But it's so much more egregious to send a player off for a non-red offence, than to not send a player off for a borderline offence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Froggy said: Nah, Burns elbows were dirty. He's a lucky boy. "Luke Shaw is 5 foot 10 and that's why he took two elbows to the face" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard as well. Shoe on the other foot you're screaming for reds for both of them and crying corruption when you don't get them. Just the nature of the game. Everyone thinks everyone is against them, but instead of corruption it's just incompetence. So when Maguire elbows someone in the face, like he does in most matches, they are clear red cards also? edit. I don't think Burn's elbow was much different than what happens in most corners. In this case it was easy to pick because they weren't in the middle of players but standing there 1v1. Edited March 5 by KingArthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, KingArthur said: So when Maguire elbows someone in the face, like he does in most matches, they are clear red cards also? If you can show me examples I can analyse, but I'm not speaking with red tinted glasses here. You can't elbow someone in the head intentionally, whether it's Burn or Maguire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 16 minutes ago, KingArthur said: edit. I don't think Burn's elbow was much different than what happens in most corners. In this case it was easy to pick because they weren't in the middle of players but standing there 1v1. Don't get me started on officiating with corners. We're about to see an awful Arsenal side with the league with corner terrorism. One second you concede a foul if you blow on the keeper, the next nothing happens if you have 5 players rugby tackling him into the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: If you can show me examples I can analyse, but I'm not speaking with red tinted glasses here. You can't elbow someone in the head intentionally, whether it's Burn or Maguire. Well, he has history of it https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-man-utds-harry-maguire-appears-to-elbow-jamaal-lascelles-var-ignores-ithttps://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-man-utds-harry-maguire-appears-to-elbow-jamaal-lascelles-var-ignores-it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 really thought the lino was gonna try slide or trip Big Willy on the run for the winner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigsawGoesToPieces Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The time keeping at the end of the first half was absolute mental, cannot explain it. To add 6 minutes when the original was only 3. Just inexplicable. Watched the game back this morning as was there last night and was wondering this myself 45 mins - 3 additional mins go up There was probably 1 minute for the Ramsey red card (Ramsey didnt go off straight away) There was probably 3 mins from giving the penalty, VAR double checking, Gordon scoring/celebrating to the game restarting So theres probably an extra 4 on top of the 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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