littlelunchbox Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I can understand why he gets left out of international line ups tbh. He does some fantastic stuff which ends up coming to nothing because he holds the ball too long. Until he learns to become a team player that potential will never get fulfilled. Easier said than done with how our other players are with their off the ball movement. Fully understand his hesistancy to pass. There is some truth to that, but Marveaux jinked past a couple of players but always managed to release the ball before he got caught. I think Ben Arfa overdoes it. another example in the 2nd half of the game, hba had the ball in our own half, had the option to pass to cabaye who was unmarked and ready to receive, the ball never came because hba decided he wanted to do that tiote macho man bullshit, dabble on the ball twist and turn and lose it. He did it also in lfc's tonking of us which lead to a goal . the boy is so frustrating at times, you want to cut him slack because he has all the ability in the world but he really needs to sort out when he should be doing his fancy dan shit, do it in the oppositions half not your own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Love just watching him. So do most of our players apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I can understand why he gets left out of international line ups tbh. He does some fantastic stuff which ends up coming to nothing because he holds the ball too long. Until he learns to become a team player that potential will never get fulfilled. Easier said than done with how our other players are with their off the ball movement. Fully understand his hesistancy to pass. There is some truth to that, but Marveaux jinked past a couple of players but always managed to release the ball before he got caught. I think Ben Arfa overdoes it. another example in the 2nd half of the game, hba had the ball in our own half, had the option to pass to cabaye who was unmarked and ready to receive, the ball never came because hba decided he wanted to do that tiote macho man bullshit, dabble on the ball twist and turn and lose it. He did it also in lfc's tonking of us which lead to a goal . the boy is so frustrating at times, you want to cut him slack because he has all the ability in the world but he really needs to sort out when he should be doing his fancy dan shit, do it in the oppositions half not your own. I'm glad you saw it as well. Last season Pardew got a lot of credit for getting him to knuckle down which might have been deserved or it might have had nothing to do with Pardew's input. But this season he's looked overweight, unmotivated and generally like he's here to get paid while shooting the breeze. There's a fabulous footballer in there but he really needs a manager that will motivate him and light a fire under his arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 He was comfortably our best player until his first injury this season. Agree he has been off form since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 He wasn't great today but I found it kinda depressing how often he had the ball with his back to goal, in our half or around the halfway line. That's not where you want a player like him, literally serves no use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 he was up there quite a few times, and tbf, think he thrives more in a free role then having the responsibility of beeing the one man behind the striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 He was shite for the best part of the game, but he's still the one player who will get me on my feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1988 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 He seemed really sluggish and was out muscled and run off the ball far too often today, I really hope the injuries haven't diminished his powers. I really hope he manages to stay fit for the majority of next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Sometimes he wasnt up the pitch because he simply couldn't be arsed. Debuchy was often making runs well ahead of him when we were attacking, while HBA jogged along in the fullback position. Played when he felt like it today, and is still overweight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Looks like he is getting fatter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Looks like he is getting fatter Was thinking that during the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Damn. I watched the game and thought he was class, maybe I'm wrong not a great second half but was electric in the first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Looks like he is getting fatter Agreed, chubbs needs to lose a few I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 His first half was great. He scared all Arse players. Two or three times, after beating several players, he found no solutions around him and was forced to stop his action and give the ball back to Tiote or Cabaye. Shit second half, ok, as he completely ignored his team mates, with some really poor decisions. But he still was the most dangerous NUFC player, always surounded by 3 Arsenal players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Doesn't Pardew love Hatem as well though? I get your point about Jonas and Perch but this is a dodgy example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's just another question to put to Pardew, why do none of our midfielders move off the ball? I don't get his philosophy on midfield, he's fine for full backs to bomb on and for our striker(s) to work space but the middle 4 have no off the ball movement whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 He looks a right fat shit at the moment like. So top heavy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 47% of our attacks came from his side yesterday, we are far too reliant on him. I hope Jonas never plays as a winger for us again, we're desperate for another half decent wide midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Doesn't Pardew love Hatem as well though? I get your point about Jonas and Perch but this is a dodgy example. What's love got do, got to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Doesn't Pardew love Hatem as well though? I get your point about Jonas and Perch but this is a dodgy example. What's love got do, got to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Doesn't Pardew love Hatem as well though? I get your point about Jonas and Perch but this is a dodgy example. What's love got do, got to do with it? Nah, but seriously. What's that got to do with it? Pardew loving him doesn't change the point that he's hamstrung by Pardew's 'style' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 His first half was great. He scared all Arse players. Two or three times, after beating several players, he found no solutions around him and was forced to stop his action and give the ball back to Tiote or Cabaye. s*** second half, ok, as he completely ignored his team mates, with some really poor decisions. But he still was the most dangerous NUFC player, always surounded by 3 Arsenal players I expect an Arsenal bid for him this summer. What a player he could be under an intelligent, tactically aware manager. :IE Wenger. Will be surprised if he is wearing our shirt next season imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Doesn't Pardew love Hatem as well though? I get your point about Jonas and Perch but this is a dodgy example. What's love got do, got to do with it? Nah, but seriously. What's that got to do with it? Pardew loving him doesn't change the point that he's hamstrung by Pardew's 'style' I though your point was that Pardew prefers Jonas and Perch. In fact he obviously rates HBA as one of our best players and starts him every game. I agree our poor general play is affecting him, but it affects everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 In a footballing sense it breaks my heart that we have a player of his quality playing and wanting to play for us, with a manager that puts his professional investment into players like Jonas and Perch. It's tragic. One hand is pinning the other one down. Doesn't Pardew love Hatem as well though? I get your point about Jonas and Perch but this is a dodgy example. What's love got do, got to do with it? Nah, but seriously. What's that got to do with it? Pardew loving him doesn't change the point that he's hamstrung by Pardew's 'style' I though your point was that Pardew prefers Jonas and Perch. In fact he obviously rates HBA as one of our best players and starts him every game. I agree our poor general play is affecting him, but it affects everyone. The point was more far reaching than Ben Arfa regarding the players that Pardew invests more in. Examples being Jonas and Perch being clearly seen as more valuable than Marveaux and Gouffran. Pardew shouldn't be anywhere near his profession imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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