cp40 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In poor form, and was very poor yesterday. Very disappointing to see him just return passes after nothing had went for him. However, he's still a very talented player who is massively important to us. He'll find form again. We need players to perform every week and not go missing for 5 or 6 of them in a row, I would rather have a less talented but more consistent player than the odd moment of magic. I f***ing hate that sort of attitude like. f***ing garbage. Players are all different people with different personalities and different ways in which to have their talents showing week in and week out. Some will say that a player might have a bad attitude or whatever, but when it's getting to the stage where every player looks like that, it's hardly fair to single out one player that we know relies upon his mood more than any other in our team. Funnily enough, he's also by far and away our best player and the player that we should be putting at the focal point of our attacks. So he puts in a class performance against Villa, then we have one match against Hull where we're attacked down that side so Pardew scraps the system and drops Ben Arfa. It's f***ing retarded, and anyone that thinks it's all down to him, or that we should be playing someone else...(who btw? who?) is a f***ing retard as well. Utterly f***ing braindead, contaminated by Pardew and Ashley's negative attitude, mixed with 'passion and 'graft' platitudinal guff. This is a time for football and getting this team playing football. Flag waving won't with this lot, they're footballers. Calling for consistency is fine if you want someone that's consistently s***. f***s sake man, I hate this bullshit. You get the best out of your best players, you don't fall back onto s*** grafters. s*** grafters are the players that are down the bottom of the league every season getting relegated because they're s*** at football. Its all about opinions. Looks like you dropped your tampon, get a grip. Hes f***ing terrible most the time man and just doesn't offer enough. f***ing terrible most of the time. Oh my God have a word with yourself man. This season he has turned up in about 2/3 games out of 9. the other games he has been fucking rank, that constitutes most of the time. He is just not as good as people make out, no good having the talent if you fail to apply it most the time. yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I love him, but he's doing my head in more than the rest at the min. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Idiot. Informative, call someone an idiot for not agreeing with your stance on a player. Blinded by f***ing youtube highlights of him, I have seen every game we have played in last 2 years and enough to form my own opinion on him and I just don't think he is all that - sure he has his moments and has this season and he definitely has the talent. But when you fail to show up 75% of the time then whats the point. He looks unfit as f*** to me as well. Nah, what you're saying is idiotic. I'm not sure what relevance the seeing every game of his over 2 years is, he's been here for over 3 years now and I would imagine most of us have seen all of his games. Howeh then, humour me. Who would you play instead then? At the moment no one as we don't have anyone else, he should be on the right if anywhere, we only have Sammy or Obertan so not them. Would probably need to bring someone in, but we are crying out for someone to actually get the ball and run down the wing with it and not drop so deep like he does, he shouldn't be anywhere but high up right wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Ben Arfa has produced more at Newcastle under Pardew than at any other club. The notion that Pardew ruins him is overplayed when the fact is he's always been consistently inconsistent. No he hasn't. In his last season at Marseille he was pretty much the reason they won the title. Never saw any of those games. I know you'll have watched loads so I'll bow to you on it. There was no interest from other clubs apart from us as i recall though. How much of that was down to temprament and the falling out with Deschamps, I couldn'tr say. But purely on goals and assists, he's far exceeded what he managed at previous clubs in two thirds as many games for us, under Pardew. He wasnt. Only started 17 games and didnt score til February 3 of his team-mates were in the ligue 1 team of the year that season, but he wasn't. So it doesn't sound like he was that instrumental like. Sergio Aguero didn't get into the PFA team of the year when Man City won the league while 4 of his teammates did. His 23 league goals must not have been instrumental to clinching the title like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well Kid Icarus' meltdown has cheered me up slightly For the record, I tend to agree with him. Every thread seems to have plenty of posters claiming a player is s***, or inconsistent. Yet we have seen a lot of said players perform well elsewhere, for their country and when they first signed. Oops it's that theme again. Agreed, with you and the meltdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I love him, but he's doing my head in more than the rest at the min. He just doesn't look fit and hasn't done all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I love him, but he's doing my head in more than the rest at the min. He just doesn't look fit and hasn't done all season. Yep. Was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after he started the season in better form than any of our other players. But he looks too heavy for his style of play now in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Only just seen the first half (yes terrible fan for missing the first half of the derby yada yada:)) I take back my criticisms of Hatem slightly. He was trying in the first half there was just fuck all support and he was getting closed down by three players each time. There were moments you can see him signalling desperately for some movement around him. Stand by the comment that he still looks too heavy though. Must have an effect on his performance the fact he's so much bigger than he was a year ago, whether it's fat or muscle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 It isn't a role he's used to, and given our position and the horrorshow that was last season, we haven't got the time to persevere and see if it bears fruit. He's looked brilliant for us on the right wing, I don't understand why Pardew is fannying around. Gouffran has experience of playing up front, he played there primarily before we signed him and was on course to have another prolific season in front of goal for Bordeaux. Remy on the left, Gouffran central, HBA on the right, it's simple if we are going to stick with this system. Pardew will probably chop and change again though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 It isn't a role he's used to, and given our position and the horrorshow that was last season, we haven't got the time to persevere and see if it bears fruit. He's looked brilliant for us on the right wing, I don't understand why Pardew is fannying around. Gouffran has experience of playing up front, he played there primarily before we signed him and was on course to have another prolific season in front of goal for Bordeaux. Remy on the left, Gouffran central, HBA on the right, it's simple if we are going to stick with this system. Pardew will probably chop and change again though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 The lad is not a "false number 9" and never will be. Get him back on the right or in a free role behind the CF. Not sure who can play CF though - certainly not Cisse at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 The lad is not a "false number 9" and never will be. Get him back on the right or in a free role behind the CF. Not sure who can play CF though - certainly not Cisse at the moment. Gouffran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Genuinely think that Pardews thinking behind playing him central is that maybe he'll manage to dribble through defenders and get himself away. While technically an excellent player, I don't think Ben Arfa has the mental attributes to succeed through the centre. He'd have to start playing the simple pass for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Genuinely think that Pardews thinking behind playing him central is that maybe he'll manage to dribble through defenders and get himself away. While technically an excellent player, I don't think Ben Arfa has the mental attributes to succeed through the centre. He'd have to start playing the simple pass for a start. He also has a habit of getting the ball then he decides what his next move is. When you watch Ozil, Mata, Oscar they're already on the turn or trying to make a pass. Hatem gets the ball then looks to see if he can beat his man. Don't think he's even a #10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Genuinely think that Pardews thinking behind playing him central is that maybe he'll manage to dribble through defenders and get himself away. While technically an excellent player, I don't think Ben Arfa has the mental attributes to succeed through the centre. He'd have to start playing the simple pass for a start. That might be possible if those around him actually move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 The lad is not a "false number 9" and never will be. Get him back on the right or in a free role behind the CF. Not sure who can play CF though - certainly not Cisse at the moment. Gouffran. Gouffran doesn't have the physical presence or goal scorer's movement to occupy central defenders like Cisse does. It's no concidence that both Remy and Ben Arfa have looked like lost children when Cisse has been out of the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Physical. Presence. e.g. standing up front doing nothing? Losing every ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I don't think Cisse has any physical presence and his positioning off the ball often leaves a lot to be desired. Gouffran would at least give you some running up front, and after an extended period of games to settle into the position, I think his goal return would be decent with HBA and Remy either side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I don't think Cisse has any physical presence and his positioning off the ball often leaves a lot to be desired. Gouffran would at least give you some running up front, and after an extended period of games to settle into the position, I think his goal return would be decent with HBA and Remy either side. Gouffran's a good player outside the box, no arguments there. I need to see what he would do through the middle. Will he get on the end of a cross to head one in? Pardew doesn't seem to think so, otherwise I can't see why he prefers HBA down the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Were we playing Le Gouff as a faux Jonas against the mackems? I wasn't sure what it is he was supposed to be doing. He played with his back not only to their goal, but to the TV cameras as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'm convinced Pardew is trying to turn Gouffran into the new Jonas. The almighty "defensive winger" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Were we playing Le Gouff as a faux Jonas against the mackems? I wasn't sure what it is he was supposed to be doing. He played with his back not only to their goal, but to the TV cameras as well. Yes, his role seems to be the right-sided Jonas most games. We haven't really seen what he's made of as a CF except against Morecambe where he hardly got a kick before being subbed in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Were we playing Le Gouff as a faux Jonas against the mackems? I wasn't sure what it is he was supposed to be doing. He played with his back not only to their goal, but to the TV cameras as well. Yes, his role seems to be the right-sided Jonas most games. We haven't really seen what he's made of as a CF except against Morecambe where he hardly got a kick before being subbed in the second half. And you're wondering why he's hardly featured as a CF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Were we playing Le Gouff as a faux Jonas against the mackems? I wasn't sure what it is he was supposed to be doing. He played with his back not only to their goal, but to the TV cameras as well. Yes, his role seems to be the right-sided Jonas most games. We haven't really seen what he's made of as a CF except against Morecambe where he hardly got a kick before being subbed in the second half. And you're wondering why he's hardly featured as a CF? He didn't really get any service in that game tbf. The midfield was a shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Think we should play this: Krul Debuchy Saylor Coloccini Santon Anita Tiote Cabaye HBA Remy Cisse/Gouffran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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