geordiemonster Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He went about it in completely the wrong way, but in essence the referee was right to show the red card to the keeper. I don't pretend to know much about refs guidelines, but someone not a part of the game came on the pitch and attacked him and he retaliated. Not sure why that would have merited a red card as it was unconnected to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He went about it in completely the wrong way, but in essence the referee was right to show the red card to the keeper. I don't pretend to know much about refs guidelines, but someone not a part of the game came on the pitch and attacked him and he retaliated. Not sure why that would have merited a red card as it was unconnected to the game. It was violent conduct whilst on the field of play. It doesn't matter who it's against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He went about it in completely the wrong way, but in essence the referee was right to show the red card to the keeper. I don't pretend to know much about refs guidelines, but someone not a part of the game came on the pitch and attacked him and he retaliated. Not sure why that would have merited a red card as it was unconnected to the game. It was violent conduct whilst on the field of play. It doesn't matter who it's against. Bollocks that like. So if the bloke had a baseball bat and the keeper did this he'd still get sent off? Where's the understanding of context? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Tbf the ref sums it up in his quote. Taking him down is one thing, to kick him whilst on the deck is another. Can't help but think if he kicked him down like he did, then just got him in a hold of some sort, there wouldn't have been a red. But at the same time, I probably would've gone and done the same thing. You're trying to do your job, and some prick runs on the field to fly kick you, you're going to want to do the cunts in. Pleased to see it myself. Go and watch the cunt claim assault now and get something out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You see that in games already as it is without the mentalists running on. A player will haul himself at another, the guy being attacked just shoves back and both get sent off. It's retarded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The rule really shouldn't include fans. Especially when they come on an attack the player, no one can claim they wouldn't have done the same thing in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Aye fuck that shit, if you come on the pitch your fair game, ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Don't give me the I was only following orders bullshit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He went about it in completely the wrong way, but in essence the referee was right to show the red card to the keeper. I don't pretend to know much about refs guidelines, but someone not a part of the game came on the pitch and attacked him and he retaliated. Not sure why that would have merited a red card as it was unconnected to the game. It was violent conduct whilst on the field of play. It doesn't matter who it's against. Bollocks that like. So if the bloke had a baseball bat and the keeper did this he'd still get sent off? Where's the understanding of context? Probably. Put it this way, the referee would be following the rules if he did. They're simply given no room to show common sense these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiemonster Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He went about it in completely the wrong way, but in essence the referee was right to show the red card to the keeper. I don't pretend to know much about refs guidelines, but someone not a part of the game came on the pitch and attacked him and he retaliated. Not sure why that would have merited a red card as it was unconnected to the game. It was violent conduct whilst on the field of play. It doesn't matter who it's against. Bollocks that like. So if the bloke had a baseball bat and the keeper did this he'd still get sent off? Where's the understanding of context? Or to even take it to the next extreme, a knife (which I don't think is beyond the realms of possibility). As a rubbish analogy, I expect to be able to go to work and not be attacked by someone who doesn't work there. I wouldn't expect to be sacked if one of my customers came in and punched me for no reason and I retaliated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I used the example of a baseball bat because everyone would have seen it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Watching it back again...I really hope all managers would do that in those circumstances. Good on him. Hope the Dutch FA don't punish them because there's no way that was fair. The situation is outside the rules of a game and he did the right thing (manager hauling his team off). That ref is a fool. He acted within his limitations and within the laws of the game. Doesn't make it right, but it's not really his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 My sympathy is with Alkmaar, like. By stepping on the pitch, a fan should be aware of the consequences - he could have a weapon so should be seen as dangerous. As for the ref.....he's stuck to the rules, but the rule is stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm not actually. I'm defending a fellow referee for making a decision that he made in the spur of the moment, in keeping with the rules of the game. It's a stupid rule, but he didn't write it - he just follows it. 'Violent conduct' is violent conduct. The rule doesn't say anything about self-defence or retaliation or whether it's against an opposition player, a teammate, an official, the manager or a fan. If you're a player on the field of play and you commit an act that is interpreted as 'violent conduct' then you are shown a red card. It's as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm not actually. I'm defending a fellow referee All makes sense now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Well I hope the Dutch FA wipe it out...as it's crazy. Yes it is crazy - I'm not defending the rule, I'm defending the referee for following it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The referee showed no brains whatsoever by following the rule, that's the point. As if he'd get into trouble or punished for not sending the keeper off ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiemonster Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Well I hope the Dutch FA wipe it out...as it's crazy. Yes it is crazy - I'm not defending the rule, I'm defending the referee for following it Surely there has to be room in the game for a bit of common sense though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Well I hope the Dutch FA wipe it out...as it's crazy. Yes it is crazy - I'm not defending the rule, I'm defending the referee for following it Surely there has to be room in the game for a bit of common sense though? Yes, but that's not the job of one insignificant referee in a Dutch cup game. That's what FIFA have to do. Along with sorting other things, like leaving the field of play and taking your shirt off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Law 12: A player is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against a team-mate, spectator, match official or any other person. Violent conduct may occur either on the fi eld of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Should be a red card, even if harsh imo, should be left to groundstaff, players getting in fights with supporters can aggravate things. Yes there's defending oneself, but looks like the player got into a proper fight. Ref totally mishandled it, he needed to wait for all the furore to die down and the brawls to be broken up. Still a red by letter of law imo though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The referee showed no brains whatsoever by following the rule, that's the point. As if he'd get into trouble or punished for not sending the keeper off ffs. Add to that he showed very little common sense and compassion in the way he handled sending him off. He figuratively kicked him when he was down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The referee showed no brains whatsoever by following the rule, that's the point. As if he'd get into trouble or punished for not sending the keeper off ffs. Add to that he showed very little common sense and compassion in the way he handled sending him off. He figuratively kicked him when he was down. As opposed to Esteban, who literally did exactly that, kicking the fan while he was down. It's perfectly valid to say that Esteban should have the right to work in a safe environment, and the scenario of a weapon is not so far-fetched (for those old enough to remember Monica Seles). My problem is that Esteban continued to attack the fan - the steward knew that Esteban was out of control when he imposed his body between the fan and the keeper. And I'm not going to say Esteban should have been in full control, having been struck unawares and no doubt his initial reaction was to be scared witless. But while the primeval side of us enjoyed watching vigilante justice being meted out, to continue kicking the fan cannot be condoned It was a very ugly situation that will probably see the fan banned for life and possibly charged, the keeper's red standing and possibly even an extra slap on the wrist. It will get messy when the Dutch FA fines AZ and Verbeek and also awards the match to Ajax, which they will surely do. The ref, who certainly could and should have handled the situation with more tact, will almost certainly get a thumbs up for correctly applying the rules in an extraordinary situation... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Didn`t look any different to what Rooney did to Colo a few matchs back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 By the laws of the game it's a red, but he could have spent a couple of minutes talking to the keeper and the manager alone before waving the card in his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Shame he didn't stamp on his head and cracked open his skull. Keeper deserves a medal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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