Jayson Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Needs a clear name change to OTT. Routledge did nowt for us in the prem whatsoever, Obertan has atleast helped set up goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 this isn't going to go down well but Obertan's actually my favourite player. So intelligent and what he lacks in pace he more than makes up for in technique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 How many assists did he gets last season? 5 or 6? That's actually not bad for, at the moment anyway, a shit player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 How many assists did he gets last season? 5 or 6? That's actually not bad for, at the moment anyway, a s*** player. A lot more assists than the £20 million rated Downing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I got as many Premiership assists as Downing last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 this isn't going to go down well but Obertan's actually my favourite player. So intelligent and what he lacks in pace he more than makes up for in technique. Goes to show it's a game of opinions but don't think he reads the game well at all and for last season was most dangerous when he ran very fast in a straight line. In pre-season he's certainly shown a bit more dexterity on the ball. The one thing that is unforgiveable is the way he stops once a move has been broken down- again he needs to be much more alert to his position when we don't have the ball. He's by no means the worst player we've seen in that position but I struggle to see him getting a regular game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 HTT talking exaggerated nonsense again I see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 this isn't going to go down well but Obertan's actually my favourite player. So intelligent and what he lacks in pace he more than makes up for in technique. Goes to show it's a game of opinions but don't think he reads the game well at all and for last season was most dangerous when he ran very fast in a straight line. In pre-season he's certainly shown a bit more dexterity on the ball. The one thing that is unforgiveable is the way he stops once a move has been broken down- again he needs to be much more alert to his position when we don't have the ball. He's by no means the worst player we've seen in that position but I struggle to see him getting a regular game. err, I think Oakie is providing a bit of comic relief. Been one of the more useful posters in the summer break for not taking things too seriously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 you can never be certain these days.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Are we signing Van Wheel and Anita Harris then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. BS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Thats not bs atall, its exactly right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hydeous Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I wouldn't disagree with that. Was sad to see him being booed last season. I do wish football fans were slightly less bipolar sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. He scored 1 goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Stop talking about Obertan, ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I actually think there is a hint of truth in this but despite sticking up for him he was pretty bad (if not as awful as made out). As TT and I have mentioned, he is very Bramble like in the fact he has all the attributes apart from a brain. I hope we manage to succeed with this one because Obertan could (very unlikely) be very, very dangerous. Quite like the idea of him as a forward, based on not much at all other than giving something else a try. Still think loaning him out to a team who would play him every game could be the making of him. He got to the age where players need competitive games (Ferguson, Vuckic, Abeid, Sammy etc..) then moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world where he stood little chance so his developement stalled for another few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,89565.4450.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I actually think there is a hint of truth in this but despite sticking up for him he was pretty bad (if not as awful as made out). As TT and I have mentioned, he is very Bramble like in the fact he has all the attributes apart from a brain. I hope we manage to succeed with this one because Obertan could (very unlikely) be very, very dangerous. Quite like the idea of him as a forward, based on not much at all other than giving something else a try. Still think loaning him out to a team who would play him every game could be the making of him. Based on the fact that in his natural position he manages to achieve it to a truly horrible level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Herpes isn't as bad as HIV, can't say I'd want either though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I actually think there is a hint of truth in this but despite sticking up for him he was pretty bad (if not as awful as made out). As TT and I have mentioned, he is very Bramble like in the fact he has all the attributes apart from a brain. I hope we manage to succeed with this one because Obertan could (very unlikely) be very, very dangerous. Quite like the idea of him as a forward, based on not much at all other than giving something else a try. Still think loaning him out to a team who would play him every game could be the making of him. He got to the age where players need competitive games (Ferguson, Vuckic, Abeid, Sammy etc..) then moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world where he stood little chance so his developed stalled for another few years. Bobby would have loved him, he'd have seen him as a challenge just like Bramble and maybe that's what Pardew sees in him also, maybe he believes he can coach in to him how to be effective. Bobby lost that war, don't fancy Pardew's chances if that is how he sees it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Herpes isn't as bad as HIV, can't say I'd want either though. Sex is sex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I actually think there is a hint of truth in this but despite sticking up for him he was pretty bad (if not as awful as made out). As TT and I have mentioned, he is very Bramble like in the fact he has all the attributes apart from a brain. I hope we manage to succeed with this one because Obertan could (very unlikely) be very, very dangerous. Quite like the idea of him as a forward, based on not much at all other than giving something else a try. Still think loaning him out to a team who would play him every game could be the making of him. He got to the age where players need competitive games (Ferguson, Vuckic, Abeid, Sammy etc..) then moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world where he stood little chance so his developed stalled for another few years. Bobby would have loved him, he'd have seen him as a challenge just like Bramble and maybe that's what Pardew sees in him also, maybe he believes he can coach in to him how to be effective. Bobby lost that war, don't fancy Pardew's chances if that is how he sees it. Most likely outcome, my hope/faith in players lasts till the very end though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I actually think there is a hint of truth in this but despite sticking up for him he was pretty bad (if not as awful as made out). As TT and I have mentioned, he is very Bramble like in the fact he has all the attributes apart from a brain. I hope we manage to succeed with this one because Obertan could (very unlikely) be very, very dangerous. Quite like the idea of him as a forward, based on not much at all other than giving something else a try. Still think loaning him out to a team who would play him every game could be the making of him. He got to the age where players need competitive games (Ferguson, Vuckic, Abeid, Sammy etc..) then moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world where he stood little chance so his developed stalled for another few years. Bobby would have loved him, he'd have seen him as a challenge just like Bramble and maybe that's what Pardew sees in him also, maybe he believes he can coach in to him how to be effective. Bobby lost that war, don't fancy Pardew's chances if that is how he sees it. Most likely outcome, my hope/faith in players lasts till the very end though. One thing Obertan has on his side is the other success stories of the fringe players here at the club. Raylor, Perch, Guthrie, Best and Williamson (to an extent) even Shola is proving useful, Pardew does have a canny knack of getting better performances out of players like this even when it looks completely over (perch) and no fan in the stands has any time for him, somehow their careers turn around. Obertan could be next, its certainly not impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, Obertan's not exactly brilliant, but I've seen far worse. Has pace, can finish, has set up goals. He really isn't THAT dreadful, I think opinions on him have been overly polarised by his competition in the early part of last season with Ben Arfa for the wide right spot. With Obertan keeping out the crowd favourite, he was always going to be the antichrist if he didn't get a hattrick every game. I actually think there is a hint of truth in this but despite sticking up for him he was pretty bad (if not as awful as made out). As TT and I have mentioned, he is very Bramble like in the fact he has all the attributes apart from a brain. I hope we manage to succeed with this one because Obertan could (very unlikely) be very, very dangerous. Quite like the idea of him as a forward, based on not much at all other than giving something else a try. Still think loaning him out to a team who would play him every game could be the making of him. He got to the age where players need competitive games (Ferguson, Vuckic, Abeid, Sammy etc..) then moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world where he stood little chance so his developed stalled for another few years. Bobby would have loved him, he'd have seen him as a challenge just like Bramble and maybe that's what Pardew sees in him also, maybe he believes he can coach in to him how to be effective. Bobby lost that war, don't fancy Pardew's chances if that is how he sees it. Most likely outcome, my hope/faith in players lasts till the very end though. One thing Obertan has on his side is the other success stories of the fringe players here at the club. Raylor, Perch, Guthrie, Best and Williamson (to an extent) even Shola is proving useful, Pardew does have a canny knack of getting better performances out of players like this even when it looks completely over (perch) and no fan in the stands has any time for him, somehow their careers turn around. Obertan could be next, its certainly not impossible. Going by the press Pardew really puts in the hard yards when it comes to boosting players confidence (even if it does create slight hysteria among small sections of the fans). I bet he really puts an arm around the more fragile players whilst constantly pushing more talented players (HBA) into getting the very best out of them. I would have let Perch/Raylor go for pretty much fuck all last pre-season but as you say he has managed to turn them into useful players. Obertan has a lot too offer if he can get his shit together. Still not going to get my hopes up though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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