Papiss Cissé

[Yorkie]

He took the initiative to get himself into a dangerous position in the box for the first time in a while. Glorious finish too.

 

Disagree, he pops up frequently. He's been doing what Perch did after 4 minutes in every game for a while. He racks up some serious mileage every game, like. Might be one of the reasons why Pardew is so keen to withdraw him every single f***ing time.

 

It was a compliment btw. Reading it back it doesn't look like one. I haven't seen any replays of it yet but it looked like he truly smelled a good chance and made the run, which a player of that quality does all the time unless they're a mile outside the danger area when a cross comes in.

 

Aye dude, i know. What i'm saying is, i personally think he has been doing that. It just comes and goes and can be difficult to spot when his starting position is so far from goal.

 

This isn't intended to be as dickhead-ish as it sounds: but it's something i noticed against Wigan and Man City with the benefit of being at the games. He's dying to get into the box and seems to do so at the first chance he gets. The system needs to be worked on so it can happen more. If we had a better right-back, we could probably allow it.

[Yorkie]

Ba scored 1 in the last 5

 

It's APs chance to change it around now...may help push the f***er out the door!

 

There's absolutely no need to drop either of them. I think the system can still be worked on, and get Cisse in the box more often, but there are semblances of some actual progress being made with the formation.

 

Where have I said drop?

 

Ba Cisse Marveux

 

Should be the front 3 v Arsenal

 

Alright, substitute the word 'drop' for 'swap'. Like i say, it can still be worked on, but we've had long swathes of decent attacking play in the last few games, QPR aside.

 

I was sick of seeing our attacking play being so opportunist all season. There seems to be more of a gameplan eeking through.

 

My issue Yorkie is that I am happy to agree that Ba is the more creative player, and they are both good positional goalscorers, probably equally so (although Papiss is more instinctive)

 

We havnt got time and Ba hasn't got the willingness to go back to a 3 with him on the left!

 

AP may as well bite the bullet and just stick him out there

 

I do get what you mean. My point (forgetting any debate surrounding potential sales) is that the attacking play is improving, so i wouldn't be making any big changes just yet, such as completely swapping player roles.

[Jack Flash]

He took the initiative to get himself into a dangerous position in the box for the first time in a while. Glorious finish too.

 

Disagree, he pops up frequently. He's been doing what Perch did after 4 minutes in every game for a while. He racks up some serious mileage every game, like. Might be one of the reasons why Pardew is so keen to withdraw him every single f***ing time.

 

It was a compliment btw. Reading it back it doesn't look like one. I haven't seen any replays of it yet but it looked like he truly smelled a good chance and made the run, which a player of that quality does all the time unless they're a mile outside the danger area when a cross comes in.

 

Aye dude, i know. What i'm saying is, i personally think he has been doing that. It just comes and goes and can be difficult to spot when his starting position is so far from goal.

 

This isn't intended to be as dickhead-ish as it sounds: but it's something i noticed against Wigan and Man City with the benefit of being at the games. He's dying to get into the box and seems to do so at the first chance he gets. The system needs to be worked on so it can happen more. If we had a better right-back, we could probably allow it.

 

Aye, I'm with you. Just seemed like every chance he's had recently he's looked like a player massively out of form regardless of where he takes it from but today he read the play perfectly (which I don't think he's done too much this season with him being in an alien position) and finished it like the Cisse of yore. He'll take great heart from that goal and it'll lead to more.

[Ikon]

Confidence wise he looks like he's back.

[Yorkie]

It's the best moment of the day and the most promising thing to take away, like.

 

We've just got to keep building. I have simmered, and am feeling fairly philosophical. Hopefully it wasn't just an underdog-driven flash-in-the-pan, and we continue to build, because the disparity in that performance and Southampton - for eg - was absolutely monumental. Proper shitter we've got such a tough game coming up, but a point there would be a massive lift before the transfer window.

 

It's obviously not what any of us wanted to be feeling; but i'm happy in that i feel less concerned about relegation.

[Wullie]

Yeah. I love him too. He feels like a true NUFC player for some reason, much like Robert instantly did.

 

Yep. Love it when players play with a smile on their face too.

[Stifler]

Cisse has real desire for us. Everyone saw his frustration the other week after being brought off, he's being played out of position and trying, Ba seems to not want too pass to him though and would rather shoot from 75 yards out then play him through on goal, Ba also seems to be taking us for a ride over his refusal to drop his release clause.

 

I can't believe that some people on here have been rating Ba's commitment and even talent over Cisse's, to me Cisse has always been the better player and it's coming to obvious that his desire to do well for us is greater than Ba's as well.

[Interpolic]

There was a moment in the first half when Cisse looked fuming at Ba for shooting when he was in the middle waiting for the pass. Would have taken a very good pass from Ba but if he hit him then it was a tap in.

[themanupstairs]

There was a moment in the first half when Cisse looked fuming at Ba for shooting when he was in the middle waiting for the pass. Would have taken a very good pass from Ba but if he hit him then it was a tap in.

 

I think it was just after Evans' equalizer

[Yorkie]

Ba will always take a shot before he looks for the pass. It can be frustrating when it's not the best option, but it's only a trait of a natural goalscorer.

[Ronaldo]

Or someone that has more interest in scoring than winning. Not saying Ba isn't one but natural goalscorers don't always have to shoot.

[themanupstairs]

Ba will always take a shot before he looks for the pass. It can be frustrating when it's not the best option, but it's only a trait of a natural goalscorer.

 

Tbh on this occasion he was justified in taking the shot first time. Bigi had found him with a great little ball in behind and he thought to let fly having just conceded the equalizer. He took the shot before he could even look up to see where Cisse was.

 

Other times though he clearly opts to take a shot rather than pass to a player who is in a moderately more dangerous position. Can't see him not passing to Cisse/anyone else if they were obviously in a much better position than he was.

[Yorkie]

Or someone that has more interest in scoring than winning. Not saying Ba isn't one but natural goalscorer's don't always have to shoot.

 

Again, not the worst trait to have when youre as good as Ba.

[mrmojorisin75]

on the why i like cisse thing; he just always seems to be happy to be there, and gives his all accordingly...same as any of us would feel it's a privilege to be pro footballer, let alone at a club like us, and he exudes respect for the position he's in at all times

 

love him to bits

[Varadi]

I think the little spell he's had on the wing might help him longer term as it's forced him to work on his all-round game and he probably has a bit more appreciation of how the team works.

 

Enough's enough now though - get this lad through the middle and he'll win us games.

[Cajun]

There was a moment in the first half when Cisse looked fuming at Ba for shooting when he was in the middle waiting for the pass. Would have taken a very good pass from Ba but if he hit him then it was a tap in.

 

Any striker worth his salt would have taken that shot on man

[nufc4eva]

I think the little spell he's had on the wing might help him longer term as it's forced him to work on his all-round game and he probably has a bit more appreciation of how the team works.

 

Enough's enough now though - get this lad through the middle and he'll win us games.

 

looks like a player about to hit form to me,goal spree hopefully

[Cajun]

Fantastic run and finish, he is far too good to have just 'lost it', hopefully this is the confidence he needs.

[Cronky]

The goal came from a movement when Ba was out on the wing and Cisse in the centre. Possibly significant.

[Dyeyzzon]

The goal came from a movement when Ba was out on the wing and Cisse in the centre. Possibly significant.

 

Aye noticed this too. Cisse's been in a better run of form over the past two games imo.

[Cajun]

The goal came from a movement when Ba was out on the wing and Cisse in the centre. Possibly significant.

 

There definitely should be a less rigid option than 'Okay YOU must play here and YOU must play here'. I don't see why it can't be more fluid. A 4-3-3 but the players able to switch positions as and when.

 

That said if both are desperate to play central it could throw up some problems and leave one side of the pitch a little bare.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

The goal came from a movement when Ba was out on the wing and Cisse in the centre. Possibly significant.

 

Nail on head

Everyone can see it!

[nufc4eva]

The goal came from a movement when Ba was out on the wing and Cisse in the centre. Possibly significant.

 

There definitely should be a less rigid option than 'Okay YOU must play here and YOU must play here'. I don't see why it can't be more fluid. A 4-3-3 but the players able to switch positions as and when.

 

That said if both are desperate to play central it could throw up some problems and leave one side of the pitch a little bare.

 

As long as players maintain that discipline of covering we should be fluid. If Anita shifts right forward someone should tuck in for example. It helps cause other teams problems because they have different players up against them all the time and difficult to predict movement rather than the rigid shit we often produce

[cp40]

Or someone that has more interest in scoring than winning. Not saying Ba isn't one but natural goalscorer's don't always have to shoot.

 

Again, not the worst trait to have when youre as good as Ba.

 

 

yorkie- its fair enough- I think bas goals are coming at the expense of team moral- honestly believe we will do better with him gone and cisse as CF.

[Dr Venkman]

The goal came from a movement when Ba was out on the wing and Cisse in the centre. Possibly significant.

 

There definitely should be a less rigid option than 'Okay YOU must play here and YOU must play here'. I don't see why it can't be more fluid. A 4-3-3 but the players able to switch positions as and when.

 

That said if both are desperate to play central it could throw up some problems and leave one side of the pitch a little bare.

 

There was a less rigid option played last season, with Cisse starting centre but all of them filling in where needed, at times Cisse would be filling in at left back (as would Ba). This season when we have played 4-3-3 that system has been abandoned, with Ba either playing centrally or not on the pitch.

 

I've said it before but if you want evidence of that (other than watching the games) look no further than Shola coming on to play in a front 3 and playing on the wing.