Papiss Cissé

[The College Dropout]

I remember when Demba Ba was causing the whole team to play crap.

 

Of course half a dozen games when we played counter football a lot and 4-4-2 is a better sample than this whole season. Okay. I'm getting lunch.

 

Our only convincing performances in that 6 game period came when playing 4-3-3, and only one of those could be classed as truly counter attacking, Swansea, as we clearly had the better of the overall play against West Brom and created more chances after the goals. We dominated Stoke and Liverpool, those performances were the antithesis of counter attacking. We even played alright and created quite a few chances at Wigan but were let down by rubbish defending. We've not seen the same formula this year, with Cabaye much deeper (bar Reading and Norwich away) or injured and Jonas playing virtually every game on the wing for starters.

 

As for your Gomez comment. Yes, he's tall and is automatically more of a threat from set pieces, but can he move as well? Feed on through balls? Score the types of different types of goals that Cisse has here? Well done for highlighting that some strikers have strengths compared to others. It seems as if you've been reduced to pathetic criticisms these days, like covering the front post area at corners.

 

6 games.

 

Mario Gomez would help our woeful set pieces. Cisse contributes to our weakness in that regard.

[The College Dropout]

The Bayern team is not built around Mario fucking Gomez. They score tons of goals with or without him. We are reliant no Cisse's limited skill set and imo we should not be.

[Nobody]

How insightful saying that a striker that would cost £25m+ would improve our set pieces

[Hanshithispantz]

The Bayern team is not built around Mario fucking Gomez. They score tons of goals with or without him. We are reliant no Cisse's limited skill set and imo we should not be.

 

I would just prefer the manager to get the team functioning well as a unit personally, not having a striker who supposedly does everything.

 

 

All the lad offers is goals and he's not great at that either. What I would like is a striker that can contribute to the other 10 players and isn't just reliant on the others performing for him.

 

Doesn't do enough for the team. Not brilliant at what he does.

[Hanshithispantz]

As I said before, I'd prefer a side that functions well together as opposed to having to rely on any striker at all, regardless of their style. If you criticise Cisse for not doing everything then you have to criticise every other player on the pitch too.

[The College Dropout]

When you're squad is valued at £300m that is easier to implement. And even still their main striker is an awesome team player.

 

the other Mario is more in the Lewandowski mould, the striker that fired BVB to successive Bundesliga titles.

 

There's not a top team that has their star striker being so limited.

[The College Dropout]

Funny how "contributing more" = doing everything

 

Like we have not have legitimate talismanic strikers who add value to the whole team.

[Hanshithispantz]

When you're squad is valued at £300m that is easier to implement. And even still their main striker is an awesome team player.

 

the other Mario is more in the Lewandowski mould, the striker that fired BVB to successive Bundesliga titles.

 

There's not a top team that has their star striker being so limited.

We won't even be on Bayern's level though and we don't need to be, it doesn't mean that we cannot effectively function together as a unit in this league though without an all rounder up front.

 

And you mention money in one sentence saying "we cannot do this" and then in the next you mention a World Class player probably rated at around £30m+ and use him as an example. Very few strikers are at Lewandowski's level so you cannot really use him in the argument, you can only use players who we actually have a chance of bringing to the club at this moment in time. And we'd have to do very, very well to upgrade Cisse.

[Nobody]

Cissé does that though, you just conveniently chose to ignore all his team work.

[Hanshithispantz]

Funny how "contributing more" = doing everything

 

Like we have not have legitimate talismanic strikers who add value to the whole team.

He does a lot, you just refuse to acknowledge it for some reason.

[Kanj]

College: What exactly are you trying to prove here man? You've been arguing this exact same point every week for ages, and nobody has changed their stance

[TRon]

What's most frustrating is that Cisse gets labelled as simply a goalscorer by some here, when he's clearly got some great qualities off the ball as well. He produces some wonderful layoffs and first touch passes to team mates but it gets ignored because people want to see a 6'5 giant jumping high and barging around bashing defenders in good old 1980's fashion. Record Stoke matches on Football First and watch those to get your fix instead would be my advice.

[The College Dropout]

What's most frustrating is that Cisse gets labelled as simply a goalscorer by some here, when he's clearly got some great qualities off the ball as well. He produces some wonderful layoffs and first touch passes to team mates but it gets ignored because people want to see a 6'5 giant jumping high and barging around bashing defenders in good old 1980's fashion. Record Stoke matches on Football First and watch those to get your fix instead would be my advice.

 

This kinda crap is why I keep going.

 

More and more people are recognising Cisse isn't playing up to standard.

[Kanj]

No, they're not.

[Wullie]

I couldn't name one single player whose performances could be described as "up to standard" tbh.  Not sure why Cisse has become the target of your loathing more than anyone else.

[Skeletor]

I couldn't name one single player whose performances could be described as "up to standard" tbh.  Not sure why Cisse has become the target of your loathing more than anyone else.

 

Sure but when was the last time Papiss defended a set piece? That's the hall mark of a great striker.

[Gallowgate Toon]

The Bayern team is not built around Mario f***ing Gomez. They score tons of goals with or without him. We are reliant no Cisse's limited skill set and imo we should not be.

 

You're right, we shouldn't be. We should be following the Spurs/Chelsea/Everton blueprints of building a unit around a star midfielder(s) instead. 

[The College Dropout]

Everton play-off Fellaini as if he was a striker.

[ujpest doza]

I couldn't name one single player whose performances could be described as "up to standard" tbh.  Not sure why Cisse has become the target of your loathing more than anyone else.

Rob Elliott?????

[Guest VanBarduck]

What's most frustrating is that Cisse gets labelled as simply a goalscorer by some here, when he's clearly got some great qualities off the ball as well. He produces some wonderful layoffs and first touch passes to team mates but it gets ignored because people want to see a 6'5 giant jumping high and barging around bashing defenders in good old 1980's fashion. Record Stoke matches on Football First and watch those to get your fix instead would be my advice.

 

Slightly exagerated  . I don't think he has better general skills than Shola IMO , he's just a bit more agile and he has a very good shooting technique , and he's a pure poacher but in terms of link-up , movement and running off the ball he's clearly poor , nowhere near a top 10 team's main striker .

[Pilko]

Cisse 'a bit more agile' than Ameobi :lol:

 

I suppose you could say Hitler was a bit more of a bastard than Tony Blair anarl.

[Mole_Toonfan]

What's most frustrating is that Cisse gets labelled as simply a goalscorer by some here, when he's clearly got some great qualities off the ball as well. He produces some wonderful layoffs and first touch passes to team mates but it gets ignored because people want to see a 6'5 giant jumping high and barging around bashing defenders in good old 1980's fashion. Record Stoke matches on Football First and watch those to get your fix instead would be my advice.

 

Slightly exagerated  .

 

Should have stopped there tbh.

[Guest VanBarduck]

Cisse 'a bit more agile' than Ameobi :lol:

 

I suppose you could say Hitler was a bit more of a b****** than Tony Blair anarl.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

He is very good at playing team-mates through with little flicks like. I don't think his passing is great in general but his final ball seems decent.

[Guest VanBarduck]

Let's just wait a few years and see how Cissé is one of the best striker of PL , Newcastle is strange place , Jenas and Dyer were compared to Keane an Viera when they played for NUFC .