Papiss Cissé

[David Icke - Son of God]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday.

[Al Moody]

Simon Bird ‏@simonbirdmirror 4m

Cisse future at #nufc in serious doubt now over Wonga issue. Absence from portugal pre season shows stalemate in shirt row.

[Memphis]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these cunts are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments regarding Wonga as a classless, parasitic outfit.

 

But I disagree with the ability to selectively choose how to display your principled stance.  There is a certain awareness that comes with accepting a pay packet from a professional football club that you may at times endorse indirectly products or services you find disagreeable or even reprehensible. You have teetotalers, perhaps religiously motivated, wearing shorts with alcohol sponsors. You have players implicitly endorsing gambling, players who may themselves find it problematic or even immoral. It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

It still represents a stretch of "principle" if you blanch at one but not the other, even if I myself find payday outlets horrible leeches on the poor.

[matta]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these c***s are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

So if I became a Muslim could I stroll into Virgin and ask for an interest free loan then?

 

 

Thats a very good answer from David Icke. I'm not very educated in islamicbanking, however i think it is the same in principal. You loan money, buy something, and pay abit more back.

 

 

 

Stolen from Wikipedia:

In an Islamic mortgage transaction, instead of lending the buyer money to purchase the item, a bank might buy the item itself from the seller, and re-sell it to the buyer at a profit, while allowing the buyer to pay the bank in installments. However, the bank's profit cannot be made explicit and therefore there are no additional penalties for late payment. In order to protect itself against default, the bank asks for strict collateral. The goods or land is registered to the name of the buyer from the start of the transaction. This arrangement is called Murabahah.

 

Another approach is EIjara wa EIqtina, which is similar to real estate leasing. Islamic banks handle loans for vehicles in a similar way (selling the vehicle at a higher-than-market price to the debtor and then retaining ownership of the vehicle until the loan is paid).

[Guest bimpy474]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

 

Which leads me to think he is objecting on a personal level not a religious one. He's clearly not a strict Muslim. I doubt it's his faith that is the stumbling block here.

 

Which imo puts him in the wrong. Not because he objects to Wonga, if it isn't a faith thing where does it end. Any player can object to anything at any time, it's just nonsense hiding behind a thing (religion) that doesn't exist.

 

I hate religion you might note, so i'm very biased that way.

[Disco]

How many of the rest late back from international duty are going?

 

Hasn't been released but Pardew said this last night.

 

"We are all going to Portugal. It will be the first team that are all back now, so we are looking to take our strongest squad with us."

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

How many of the rest late back from international duty are going?

 

Hasn't been released but Pardew said this last night.

 

"We are all going to Portugal. It will be the first team that are all back now, so we are looking to take our strongest squad with us."

 

Magnificent.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these c***s are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments regarding Wonga as a classless, parasitic outfit.

 

But I disagree with the ability to selectively choose how to display your principled stance.  There is a certain awareness that comes with accepting a pay packet from a professional football club that you may at times endorse indirectly products or services you find disagreeable or even reprehensible. You have teetotalers, perhaps religiously motivated, wearing shorts with alcohol sponsors. You have players implicitly endorsing gambling, players who may themselves find it problematic or even immoral. It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

It still represents a stretch of "principle" if you blanch at one but not the other, even if I myself find payday outlets horrible leeches on the poor.

 

Yes but that is your opinion on a moral issue. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion you reach I should not Judge you for reaching that conclusion. On the same facts Cisse has reached a different conclusion to yourself. Likewise I see no reason to condemn him for it.

[David Icke - Son of God]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these cunts are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments regarding Wonga as a classless, parasitic outfit.

 

But I disagree with the ability to selectively choose how to display your principled stance.  There is a certain awareness that comes with accepting a pay packet from a professional football club that you may at times endorse indirectly products or services you find disagreeable or even reprehensible. You have teetotalers, perhaps religiously motivated, wearing shorts with alcohol sponsors. You have players implicitly endorsing gambling, players who may themselves find it problematic or even immoral. It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

It still represents a stretch of "principle" if you blanch at one but not the other, even if I myself find payday outlets horrible leeches on the poor.

 

I disagree with that. I've nothing else to add.

[Al Moody]

Lee Ryder ‏@lee_ryder 26s

It is understood that Cisse wanted to travel but told he couldn't until Wonga dispute is resolved. Story is developing #nufc

 

Can be read as ''until he accepts to wear Wonga on his shirt''.

[Guest bimpy474]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday.

 

Well thats a helpful line of nonsense, but if religious people break the rules often, they are also hypocrites, as are most human beings to be honest.

[brummie]

It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

That's the thing.

 

If I were the player in question, as a non muslim, I would be far more likely to object to Wonga as a shirt sponsor, on the grounds that they're are a company which lends money to desperate people at obscene rates of interest. They're pretty much the sort of loan sharks you'd find in depressed towns, except on the internet.

 

Virgin Money, however, I wouldn't have a problem with. They're money lenders, yes, but I don't see credit cards, mortgages and loans of the type they offer as morally questionable. Or online gambling companies, either.

 

That's because it is my frame of reference, which isn't a religious one (not that that really matters).

 

With Cisse, however, his objection to Wonga is said to be on the basis of his religion. His religion finds money lending FULL STOP objectionable and unacceptable, so if he's using Wonga as an example of an unacceptable company to have on his shirt, then surely he must also object to any other commercial lender, and that wasn't the case for him last year.

 

 

[KaKa]

The thing is Wonga will never let the club's number 9 not wear their logo. I mean, that's the one person that absolutely has to wear it form their point of view.

 

Would be incredible if we sold a payer over this. Absolutely incredible.

 

But honestly, what's the alternative? What are they actually even discussing. The man won't wear the shirt, he won't wear the shirt. What are these negotiations?

 

 

[madras]

It smells similar to n'zogbias reason for wanting to leave. Shite excuse,  but it beats asking for a transfer (and saves money)

 

[STM]

Why wasnt this resolved months ago?

 

Another shambles by the management, even if Cisse is acting a clown.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'd like to know a bit more than one tweet. It is very worrying though.

[Memphis]

With Cisse, however, his objection to Wonga is said to be on the basis of his religion. His religion finds money lending FULL STOP objectionable and unacceptable, so if he's using Wonga as an example of an unacceptable company to have on his shirt, then surely he must also object to any other commercial lender, and that wasn't the case for him last year.

 

I think that's well summed up. I'm no expert on Islam or interpretations thereof but if you are taking a principled stance then by definition that principle must be consistent.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Dont actually have a problem with either parties stance here.

 

If Cisse has a problem with it then at least he is doing something about it. Wonga have paid money to have players wear their Logo. They have every right to insist that that arrangement is honoured.

 

Ultimately Wonga is worth more (financially) to the club than Cisse. That should tell everyone how this will pan out, unless one party changes their stance.

[Al Moody]

If the club were going to back down and allow him to wear a non branded shirt, or a charity sponsored shirt, or whatever, they would have come to an agreement by now.

 

Seems like Cisse is either going to have to back down, or he'll be off. Shame.

[madras]

Brummie...not to mention that even should he not wear a wonga sign, he'd still be wearing a Barclays one. You know the mis-sellers and libor fixers.

[Skirge]

If this was Hatem we would be burning Wonga logo's in support of him, I guess Cisse's poor season last season means he gets a tad less support over this.

I know as you all do though unless he backs down there is is only one outcome and that is him leaving. We have a contract with Wonga and will respect it, would have been very interesting has this been all of our Muslim players kicking off,  it seems the others have found they can live with wearing a Wonga logo'd shirt and if Papiss wants to stay he will have to find a way too.

[BrettNUFC]

Lee Ryder ‏@lee_ryder 26s

It is understood that Cisse wanted to travel but told he couldn't until Wonga dispute is resolved. Story is developing #nufc

 

Can be read as ''until he accepts to wear Wonga on his shirt''.

 

This 

 

Easy to see how we aren't budging and the only way this is resolved is that he wears the wongo logo or he simply leaves the club. The charity/no sponsor would have cleaned this mess up a long time ago. Wonga obviously won't budge having the Newcastle iconic number 9 shirt blank though.

[Lotus]

Think there's a bit more to this myself.

[Kanj]

If this was Hatem we would be burning Wonga logo's in support of him, I guess Cisse's poor season last season means he gets a tad less support over this.

I know as you all do though unless he backs down there is is only one outcome and that is him leaving. We have a contract with Wonga and will respect it, would have been very interesting has this been all of our Muslim players kicking off,  it seems the others have found they can live with wearing a Wonga logo'd shirt and if Papiss wants to stay he will have to find a way too.

 

That's the thing for me, it's only 1 player who seems to have a major issue with it.  Hopefully it gets resolved and he meets up with the squad later?

[David Icke - Son of God]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday.

 

Well thats a helpful line of nonsense, but if religious people break the rules often, they are also hypocrites, as are most human beings to be honest.

 

It's not though is it? You say it's laughable that religious people break "rules", yet religion evolves and scripture gets rewritten and repurposed. You seem to be suggesting that religious people should follow the "rules" blindly without using their own moral compass. And if they don't then they're hypocrites, which is just daft.

 

I'm usually the last person to stand up and defend the madness of religion but I wholeheartedly understand why someone, religious or not, might object to playing with an advert for a payday loan company emblazoned across their shirt but go out and gamble, or be able to find it in themselves to play with the Virgin Money logo on their chest.