AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'd like to know a bit more than one tweet. It is very worrying though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 With Cisse, however, his objection to Wonga is said to be on the basis of his religion. His religion finds money lending FULL STOP objectionable and unacceptable, so if he's using Wonga as an example of an unacceptable company to have on his shirt, then surely he must also object to any other commercial lender, and that wasn't the case for him last year. I think that's well summed up. I'm no expert on Islam or interpretations thereof but if you are taking a principled stance then by definition that principle must be consistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If the club were going to back down and allow him to wear a non branded shirt, or a charity sponsored shirt, or whatever, they would have come to an agreement by now. Seems like Cisse is either going to have to back down, or he'll be off. Shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Brummie...not to mention that even should he not wear a wonga sign, he'd still be wearing a Barclays one. You know the mis-sellers and libor fixers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If this was Hatem we would be burning Wonga logo's in support of him, I guess Cisse's poor season last season means he gets a tad less support over this. I know as you all do though unless he backs down there is is only one outcome and that is him leaving. We have a contract with Wonga and will respect it, would have been very interesting has this been all of our Muslim players kicking off, it seems the others have found they can live with wearing a Wonga logo'd shirt and if Papiss wants to stay he will have to find a way too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 26s It is understood that Cisse wanted to travel but told he couldn't until Wonga dispute is resolved. Story is developing #nufc Can be read as ''until he accepts to wear Wonga on his shirt''. This Easy to see how we aren't budging and the only way this is resolved is that he wears the wongo logo or he simply leaves the club. The charity/no sponsor would have cleaned this mess up a long time ago. Wonga obviously won't budge having the Newcastle iconic number 9 shirt blank though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Think there's a bit more to this myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If this was Hatem we would be burning Wonga logo's in support of him, I guess Cisse's poor season last season means he gets a tad less support over this. I know as you all do though unless he backs down there is is only one outcome and that is him leaving. We have a contract with Wonga and will respect it, would have been very interesting has this been all of our Muslim players kicking off, it seems the others have found they can live with wearing a Wonga logo'd shirt and if Papiss wants to stay he will have to find a way too. That's the thing for me, it's only 1 player who seems to have a major issue with it. Hopefully it gets resolved and he meets up with the squad later? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them. The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club. Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday. Well thats a helpful line of nonsense, but if religious people break the rules often, they are also hypocrites, as are most human beings to be honest. It's not though is it? You say it's laughable that religious people break "rules", yet religion evolves and scripture gets rewritten and repurposed. You seem to be suggesting that religious people should follow the "rules" blindly without using their own moral compass. And if they don't then they're hypocrites, which is just daft. I'm usually the last person to stand up and defend the madness of religion but I wholeheartedly understand why someone, religious or not, might object to playing with an advert for a payday loan company emblazoned across their shirt but go out and gamble, or be able to find it in themselves to play with the Virgin Money logo on their chest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I wonder who made the decision for him not to travel. As it is pre-season, I don't see why they cannot let him wear unbranded kit for the time being. The matches are not being televised and there will only be still photos from the training sessions where they can just ignore him. If he ends up staying, he won't have the levels of fitness as other players so will be trying to catch up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It does make Papiss look silly when all the other muslims have agreed to wear the sirt, it has to be said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh joy. Our only decent forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It does make Papiss look silly when all the other muslims have agreed to wear the sirt, it has to be said. Eh? All Muslims are expected to have exactly the same views are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 With Cisse, however, his objection to Wonga is said to be on the basis of his religion. His religion finds money lending FULL STOP objectionable and unacceptable, so if he's using Wonga as an example of an unacceptable company to have on his shirt, then surely he must also object to any other commercial lender, and that wasn't the case for him last year. I think that's well summed up. I'm no expert on Islam or interpretations thereof but if you are taking a principled stance then by definition that principle must be consistent. Wonga are not a bank. It's entirely possible to reconcile your religious beliefs with an understanding that what a high street bank does, I imagine it's a completely different beast to have to do the same with a company that pray exclusively on the financially vulnerable and make a fucking bundle out of doing so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Anyways, I think the hold up with our transfers might be due to some of these things needing to be resolved i.e. Papiss and Cabaye situations. If we lose these two we'd probably look to spend more on higher calibre players to replace them. Who knows? Something just needs to happen at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It does make Papiss look silly when all the other muslims have agreed to wear the sirt, it has to be said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If they allow him to take the pitch, even in a friendly, in an unsponsored shirt while others are wearing a sponsored shirt, it will have set a precedent that other players can and will use against the club in the future, for varying moral and religious beliefs. It's like the old saying "lie down with dogs, rise up with fleas" - once we as a club got into bed with this outfit, there were always going to be knock-on effects. Bad press, yes. Moral outcry, yes. I must admit I didn't see this one coming, but the club must have known it was a risk doing business with Wonga. We are by far the biggest club to have done so and attract the most attention as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It's clear what Virgin Money do when making a profit on sale isn't no where near to the profit Wonga does a sale. That's the biggest difference the extreme scale of it and that is what will be the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Get the feeling he is being badly advised over this and this is not his own opinion and its going to hurt his career. I respect anyone making a strand for what they believe in however its making him look a little daft as all of the other Muslim players are wearing the kit. Wonder what Ba would have done had he still been here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 From one farce to the next. Why isn't this resolved yet? Actually starting to harm the prospects of the team now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It's dangerous expressing opinion on a religious issue but I just wish Cisse would drop this. Starting to get worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Get the feeling he is being badly advised over this and this is not his own opinion and its going to hurt his career. I respect anyone making a strand for what they believe in however its making him look a little daft as all of the other Muslim players are wearing the kit. Wonder what Ba would have done had he still been here. That doesn't count for a single thing. You have no idea what are the other players beliefs are other than that they are muslim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I said this 5 weeks ago, this needed to be solved before he came back to pre-season but the fucking clowns running the club obviously don't have a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If they allow him to take the pitch, even in a friendly, in an unsponsored shirt while others are wearing a sponsored shirt, it will have set a precedent that other players can and will use against the club in the future, for varying moral and religious beliefs. Sevilla and 888 allowed Freddie Kanoute to wear a sponsor-free shirt and it didn't cause them a great deal of harm. If any player has a stong moral objection it would manifest itself anyway regardless of whether a precedent is set here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I said this 5 weeks ago, this needed to be solved before he came back to pre-season but the fucking clowns running the club obviously don't have a clue. Should have offered your diplomatic services on a consultancy basis, neesy. I'm sure the club has made absolutely no effort to discuss the issue with Cisse, despite the multitude of press saying the exact opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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