Guest neesy111 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Sense would be to loan cisse out, till we change sponsor. However the club only seem to manage the cash flow on a short term basis. ie they will sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I think some sort of tribunal needs to be set up by the PFA and Premier League, with the matter kept out of our own hands. As for us the fans, I think it is time for an active protest against payday loan sponsorship. The means for doing so is simple, petition the government. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Him not wearing a sponsor makes no difference to Wonga advertising as there will be thousands of fans and the rest of players with the logo on the top. Not worth all the arguing tbh It really does though, this is different to there being one less Wonga logo in the ground or one less advertising board up. This is the Newcastle no.9 basically saying "This is a such a bad and immoral company that I refuse to wear their logo" The main reason for advertising your logo in a ground or on a shirt isn't so someone will go "Oh, I just fancy getting a loan out" it's to keep your brand image up for current and future customers. You want them to see you as the number one reliable company, you'll trust a company that you've seen around a lot more than a cheaper company that has no marketing. What will this do for their brand image? It has a lot of exposure for being an immoral company now, it's a disaster for Wonga really Wonga are expanding into the US from what I've read, with every game available in the country they'll bloody damn well want our number 9 wearing the shirt. What the fans wear makes about 10% of the exposure for the sponsor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Gutted about this. Given service he'll always score lots of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Swap Cisse for Ba, sign Bent and Remy. Job done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Sense would be to loan cisse out, till we change sponsor. However the club only seem to manage the cash flow on a short term basis. ie they will sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here. Well you are assuming same as everyone else if you think they will regard it as hypocrisy. For all those saying Wonga is just like Barclays, I'm sorry it's not. I'll bet no major club would touch Wonga with a shitty stick and it's bad enough we stooped to that level, now it's costing us our better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. Has he been quoted as saying it's a religeous matter? It might just be a moral one (if this is even the problem). IIRC, when we announced Wonga was going to be a sponsor, some time ago now, the Muslim Council of Great Britain got on the news pretty sharpish saying how it was unacceptable for a Muslim to carry this sponsor's logo. Haven't heard a peep from the now though. You'd think that if Cisse had declared that was the issue they'd be making sure they get some exposure over it. Of course, i could be wrong but i'm convinced we have anything like the full story here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. Or he's drawing a line like others do at acceptable levels of interest and those which are extortionate. If he's a hypocrite then so are all the major clubs who do the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Think this is less to do with Wonga and more with Cisse engineering a move to get away from the god-awful service he gets under Pardews instructions. Maybe? And furthermore, if that is even an iota true, it is enough to make you weep as we have so many players suited to playing a different way and making Cisse a happy bunny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Think this is less to do with Wonga and more with Cisse engineering a move to get away from the god-awful service he gets under Pardews instructions. Maybe? Maybe, but the he offered to play in an shirt without the Wonga badge or with a charity logo instead. As far as I'm concerned that's put the onus back on the club and fucking Wonga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. It isn't. The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I am still massively disappointed that the club have stooped so low as to have Wonga as our sponsor. I won't be buying any merchandise with the logo as I do not agree with pay day loan companies. If he has cited something on religious grounds, then I hope the club handle it delicately. But can you see that happen when Kinnear is likely to be involved in discussions? There is a solution here, it just depends on how much the club value Cisse or if they see a chance to get his transfer fee back and get someone cheaper in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. It isn't. The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury. That to me is the difference. If people are moaning on about Barclays etc being worse than than Wonga then they are having ago at the whole of anglo-american style of capitalism, not the situation we have here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. It isn't. The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury. Exactly. Interest based loans can be a real help for people to start businesses or buy a home. On the other hand the Sopranos version of interest where you pay the money at 100% by next week or get your legs broken is a different kettle of fish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to? Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest. What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks. It isn't. The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury. Exactly. Interest based loans can be a real help for people to start businesses or buy a home. On the other hand the Sopranos version of interest where you pay the money at 100% by next week or get your legs broken is a different kettle of fish. Spot on. The reason they don't allow interest is because of the way it could be changed in a purchase of an financial product to create excess profit. Of course Islamic financial institutes make profit from their own versions of mortgages etc, but the profit they make is set in stone. Remember interest rates on a mortgage have gone up to ridiculous amounts in previous recessions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I am still massively disappointed that the club have stooped so low as to have Wonga as our sponsor. I won't be buying any merchandise with the logo as I do not agree with pay day loan companies. If he has cited something on religious grounds, then I hope the club handle it delicately. But can you see that happen when Kinnear is likely to be involved in discussions? There is a solution here, it just depends on how much the club value Cisse or if they see a chance to get his transfer fee back and get someone cheaper in. The problem is, we're finding it hard enough to find someone to backup Cisse, never mind replace him as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Loan him out for a fee typical of 5250% of his wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Think this is less to do with Wonga and more with Cisse engineering a move to get away from the god-awful service he gets under Pardews instructions. Maybe? And furthermore, if that is even an iota true, it is enough to make you weep as we have so many players suited to playing a different way and making Cisse a happy bunny. If so, who would blame him for that ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Think this is less to do with Wonga and more with Cisse engineering a move to get away from the god-awful service he gets under Pardews instructions. Maybe? And furthermore, if that is even an iota true, it is enough to make you weep as we have so many players suited to playing a different way and making Cisse a happy bunny. If so, who would blame him for that ? No one, just the method he using to leave is the iffy part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'm worried that we are going to have half the season with only Gouffran, Shola and Campbell to choose from upfront. We seem to be nowhere near signing anyone atm and I can't see this bollocks with Cisse being resolved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'm worried that we are going to have half the season with only Gouffran, Shola and Campbell to choose from upfront. We seem to be nowhere near signing anyone atm and I can't see this bollocks with Cisse being resolved. That can't be allowed to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'm worried that we are going to have half the season with only Gouffran, Shola and Campbell to choose from upfront. We seem to be nowhere near signing anyone atm and I can't see this bollocks with Cisse being resolved. It's basically chapter 3 in the story of how we went down in 2014. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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