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It's an avoidable situation which hasn't avoided by the club therefore it's the clubs fault...IMO. Couldn't give a shit about the intricacies of it. Our best striker is missing out on important pre-season for non-footballing reasons, as with nearly everything else to do with NUFC it's fucking embarrassing.

 

Aye.

 

The two obvious compromises as I see it are:

 

1. Allow the player to wear no logo etc, or

2. Sell the player and find a replacement in an appropriate timescale.

 

Neither has been done. As for Cisse only raising a pittance if we accepted we had to sell him, I'm pretty sure the figure we would have received six weeks ago is roughly comparable to what we'd get now after all this anyway - neither scenario is conducive to getting the best price. The only difference is the club is suffering in the meantime. Funny, that.

 

:thup:

 

Instead and as always we've gone for

 

3. Indulge in as much brinksmanship and poker-handing as possible to show how strong Ashley and the board are in now kow-towing to anyone but their own demands regardless of the wider consequences aka the team and it's viability at staying up in the PL.

 

This really seems to be the only move in Ashley's repertoire. Unfortunately it's not one that's good for very many things. This club is in dire need of a little nuance.

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bet he made a load on the move.

 

:lol:

 

Just like most players who move.

did he put in a transfer request ? long time ago and I cant remember for sure.

 

Why don't you tell us who you think will be an adequate replacement instead of giving us long winded essays of the ins and outs of sharia law? Because really that's all I give a shit about.

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Problem with allowing Cisse to wear a non logo shirt is that it sets a precedent - the PFA etc. would use that every time any player had a "problem" with their club's choice of fund raising. The other PL clubs would be furious with NUFC and it wouldn't surprise me if they are being  strongly encouraged to not give in, the range of objections possibly raised by "concerned" players would be horrendous!

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same shit with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same s*** with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

It was a decent, well reasoned post until that last part.

 

(although i'm pretty sure he will be using his religion as an excuse)

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same s*** with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

It was a decent, well reasoned post until that last part.

 

(although i'm pretty sure he will be using his religion as an excuse)

 

But why? I've been to a casino and that's my personal choice. But by wearing a Wonga loga on his chest, he'd actively be promoting a company to millions around the UK that most people feel uncomfortable about because they target vulnerable people.

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same s*** with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

It was a decent, well reasoned post until that last part.

 

(although i'm pretty sure he will be using his religion as an excuse)

 

But why? I've been to a casino and that's my personal choice. But by wearing a Wonga loga on his chest, he'd actively be promoting a company to millions around the UK that most people feel uncomfortable about because they target vulnerable people.

 

Because he follows a faith. His faith is against gambling.  Is he is using his faith as a reason for not wearing the shirt yet gambles in Casinos then he's a hypocrite.

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same s*** with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

It was a decent, well reasoned post until that last part.

 

(although i'm pretty sure he will be using his religion as an excuse)

 

But why? I've been to a casino and that's my personal choice. But by wearing a Wonga loga on his chest, he'd actively be promoting a company to millions around the UK that most people feel uncomfortable about because they target vulnerable people.

 

Because he follows a faith. His faith is against gambling.  Is he is using his faith as a reason for not wearing the shirt yet gambles in Casinos then he's a hypocrite.

 

Did you even read his post?

 

If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

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Problem with allowing Cisse to wear a non logo shirt is that it sets a precedent - the PFA etc. would use that every time any player had a "problem" with their club's choice of fund raising. The other PL clubs would be furious with NUFC and it wouldn't surprise me if they are being  strongly encouraged to not give in, the range of objections possibly raised by "concerned" players would be horrendous!

 

Pretty sure the reason this has dragged on so long is in large part down to the PFA.

 

This is what Taylor said in the Chron this morning:

 

“I can only say we are working with both Newcastle United and Papiss Cisse and his adviser to see if we can achieve a satisfactory settlement of this difficult situation which meets with the approval of both parties.

“In looking to do this we are consulting and meeting with experienced people within football used to dealing with equality issues who are also members of the Muslim faith.”

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same s*** with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

It was a decent, well reasoned post until that last part.

 

(although i'm pretty sure he will be using his religion as an excuse)

 

But why? I've been to a casino and that's my personal choice. But by wearing a Wonga loga on his chest, he'd actively be promoting a company to millions around the UK that most people feel uncomfortable about because they target vulnerable people.

 

Because he follows a faith. His faith is against gambling.  Is he is using his faith as a reason for not wearing the shirt yet gambles in Casinos then he's a hypocrite.

 

Did you even read his post?

 

If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

I've misread that part.

 

But either way, its pretty f***ing clear he isnt just making a stand against Wonga and their nasty interest rates.

 

edit: see PFA comments above.

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He's not made a statement so how do all of you know it's to do with his religion? We had the same s*** with KK and remember what came out of his tribunal? An admission by the club that they had led a propaganda campaign against him. Wouldn't surprise me if the club are at it again regarding Cisse. It's what Ashley is all about.

 

As for the gambling, so what? People draw the line at different places. If he has a moral problem with Wonga, I get it. So do I.

 

It was a decent, well reasoned post until that last part.

 

(although i'm pretty sure he will be using his religion as an excuse)

 

But why? I've been to a casino and that's my personal choice. But by wearing a Wonga loga on his chest, he'd actively be promoting a company to millions around the UK that most people feel uncomfortable about because they target vulnerable people.

 

Because he follows a faith. His faith is against gambling.  Is he is using his faith as a reason for not wearing the shirt yet gambles in Casinos then he's a hypocrite.

 

Surely being a Muslim does not mean he will follow every law. Heck, he might not follow any and just identify with the religion. Anyway with this issue, we don't know anything about why he's refusing to wear the shirt. I'd rather hear his side of the story once the negotiations are complete than tar him with what the papers are saying.

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Jesus wept. Why would the club be staging a propaganda campaign against Cisse? This stuff gets worse every day.

 

It's obvious from the past that Ashley will do anything to discredit people who go against him.

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Jesus wept. Why would the club be staging a propaganda campaign against Cisse? This stuff gets worse every day.

 

It's obvious from the past that Ashley will do anything to discredit people who go against him.

 

How has Cisse gone against him though? By objecting to the shirt? In that case, wouldn't the 'propaganda' be fact?

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But either way, its pretty f***ing clear he isnt just making a stand against Wonga and their nasty interest rates.

 

edit: see PFA comments above.

 

Have I missed something? I thought that's exactly what he was doing?

 

For non religious reasons I meant.

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But either way, its pretty f***ing clear he isnt just making a stand against Wonga and their nasty interest rates.

 

edit: see PFA comments above.

 

Have I missed something? I thought that's exactly what he was doing?

 

For non religious reasons I meant.

 

Aha, soz.

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Jesus wept. Why would the club be staging a propaganda campaign against Cisse? This stuff gets worse every day.

 

It's obvious from the past that Ashley will do anything to discredit people who go against him.

 

How has Cisse gone against him though? By objecting to the shirt? In that case, wouldn't the 'propaganda' be fact?

 

The fact that the papers are using religion in this issue. And that's what has upset fans even more because he goes to casinos. But Cisse hasn't come out and said anything so how can all this abuse be leveled against him?

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