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Guess who has 101 goals in 238  PL appearances?

 

Clue: He can't get a game in one of the few teams that are below us because he does nowt else but look for runs in behind and score goals.

:mackems: Fucking pathetic man.

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He's almost identical to Darren Bent. Clinical goalscorer who bums the offside trap.

 

He offers nothing to to our build up play and any manager who attempts to use him in any other way is a complete tool.

 

I suspect a better manager might see him as a problem.

 

Yeah you'll often see Darren Bent scoring goals out of nothing like :D

 

He has some similarities to Bent in the way he plays.  Though he did get involved a lot more with our play when he first arrived, so it could be Pardews instructions and formation that have changed that.

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Guess who has 101 goals in 238  PL appearances?

 

Clue: He can't get a game in one of the few teams that are below us because he does nowt else but look for runs in behind and score goals.

Adam le Fondre?

 

Bent?

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Let's just wait a few years and see how Cissé is one of the best striker of PL , Newcastle is strange place , Jenas and Dyer were compared to Keane an Viera when they played for NUFC .

 

Making things up now :lol:

 

Also i might be bias but i'd argue Cisse is closer to being one of the best strikers in the league than he is not being good enough to play for a top 10 club. :dontknow:

 

Am I making things up ?

http://nufc.com/html/2003-03-19barcelona-h.html

Sir Bobby himself wouldn't dare doing this kind of comparison ? Well he did...

 

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Cisse is a 1 in 2 striker for us. If he keeps that up I don't care how crap he is.

 

Well, therein lies the problem, doesn't it? He's gone from a 1 in 1 striker in the league last season (accept he was never going to keep that up) to a 1 in 3,5 striker (across all competitions, 1 in 4 in the league) this season. Had he scored 1 in 2 this season I doubt we would be where we are as a club and anybody would single him out for criticism.

 

He's averaging 1 in 2 since he signed nearly 18 months ago, which includes half a season on the wing and the other half of the season in an very unproductive team. Things can surely only get better on the pitch and that'll only benefit Cisse.

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Where do you think we'd be without Cisse's goals out of interest? Let's say we had a big target man who won the ball in the air and gave the opposition centre halves a good tussle. When the ball dropped into an empty space who would be raiding in to pinch the goals? Jonas? Cabaye racing in from his own half perhaps? Or maybe he'd be scoring so many goals heading in direct from set pieces we wouldn't need goals from open play?

 

Let's have your theory, I'm all ears. Oh and btw, I'll tell you where I think we'd be without Cisse's goals this season. Already relegated.

 

I'm reposting that for College dropout, it's the same question I asked cronky, but I'd be interested to hear your views as well.

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I remember when Demba Ba was banging them in. Getting us points at Reading, Everton, Spurs etc. I would say the same thing. A lot of people responded that if we played him wide and played Cisse (imo an even more limited player) the overall performance of the team would raise.

 

Whilst it was clear to anyone with any football knowledge that would not be the case, the concept is based in truth. A different type of striker can lift the whole teams performance. Cisse's style of play doesn't encourage his team-mates to get involved in long phases of play with him. He's best facing goal on the shoulder of the last man and he's at his worst when trying to hold it up. Whilst we could do better in getting closer to provide good balls for him, he himself doesn't encourage that style of play.

 

Now Dimitar Berbatov's whole style encourages playing off him. Best facing his team mates. Get it to his feet and chest and its party time right? Just seen West Ham launch it to Carroll isolated, he controlled it, firmed the oppo player and swang the ball out wide. The whole team moved up 10 yards as a result and they got a decent cross in.

 

I mention strength/height because we generally lack that as a team. But equally, players with a lot of pace or skill are great at leading the line.

 

I think Cisse might need a partner more than anything. Someone to either play with him or replace him. I don't want him sold but I don't want him being our main man. I genuinely think Cisse's poor overall play makes a significant contribution to our whole performance.

 

People expect the other 10 players to be on some tiki-taka stuff FOR Cisse, when Cisse isn't that type of player himself.

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  ;D it's still Demba Ba

 

Where was we in the league when he left? Everyone swore we would do better when he was gone.

 

Just had a look on whoscored.com Cisse hasn't played up top a massive 9 times. Not that half a season BS that some keep spouting.

 

We have done better, we've picked up more points per game since he left than we did with him.

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Claiming that Ba is a good team player and claiming that our results/performances this season were better with him are simply blatant lies.

 

You seem to think you're the only one who watched us play in the first five months of the season.

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Aside from the wonder goals. What makes him so different from Darren Bent?

 

I've started to say he's like Inzaghi because people seem happier with that comparison. But I don't understand. Inzaghi was world-class at it.  Darren Bent is very good at it. From what i've seen, Cisse is more Darren Bent than Inzaghi.

 

Bent's a good player man.

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I remember when Demba Ba was banging them in. Getting us points at Reading, Everton, Spurs etc. I would say the same thing. A lot of people responded that if we played him wide and played Cisse (imo an even more limited player) the overall performance of the team would raise.

 

Whilst it was clear to anyone with any football knowledge that would not be the case, the concept is based in truth. A different type of striker can lift the whole teams performance. Cisse's style of play doesn't encourage his team-mates to get involved in long phases of play with him. He's best facing goal on the shoulder of the last man and he's at his worst when trying to hold it up. Whilst we could do better in getting closer to provide good balls for him, he himself doesn't encourage that style of play.

 

Now Dimitar Berbatov's whole style encourages playing off him. Best facing his team mates. Get it to his feet and chest and its party time right? Just seen West Ham launch it to Carroll isolated, he controlled it, firmed the oppo player and swang the ball out wide. The whole team moved up 10 yards as a result and they got a decent cross in.

 

I mention strength/height because we generally lack that as a team. But equally, players with a lot of pace or skill are great at leading the line.

 

I think Cisse might need a partner more than anything. Someone to either play with him or replace him. I don't want him sold but I don't want him being our main man. I genuinely think Cisse's poor overall play makes a significant contribution to our whole performance.

 

People expect the other 10 players to be on some tiki-taka stuff FOR Cisse, when Cisse isn't that type of player himself.

 

You didn't answer the important question, assuming we had a striker who was "better" at holding the ball up, which of our players would take advantage and be making those runs into the box to score the goals? Jonas? :lol:

 

 

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Claiming that Ba is a good team player and claiming that our results/performances this season were better with him are simply blatant lies.

 

You seem to think you're the only one who watched us play in the first five months of the season.

 

You're talking in circles Wullie. I didn't say any of what you claim.

 

"Greedy Demba" was his name. Look up the Demba thread, earlier on in this thread or in match day threads. Many people said Ba/Cisse swapping positions would improve the quality of the overall team play. To me, that never made sense. I always maintained there's nothing in Cisse's game to suggest results/performances would get better with a simple switch and that has proved to be the case.

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Claiming that Ba is a good team player and claiming that our results/performances this season were better with him are simply blatant lies.

 

You seem to think you're the only one who watched us play in the first five months of the season.

 

You're talking in circles Wullie. I didn't say any of what you claim.

 

"Greedy Demba" was his name. Look up the Demba thread, earlier on in this thread or in match day threads. Many people said Ba/Cisse swapping positions would improve the quality of the overall team play. To me, that never made sense. I always maintained there's nothing in Cisse's game to suggest results/performances would get better with a simple switch and that has proved to be the case.

 

They haven't swapped positions though. You're arguing against something no-one said.

 

I don't need to look back through old posts to know that not one person on here said "We should sack Ba off and play Jonas as a wide forward instead"

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