Jack Flash Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Campbell shouldn't be anywhere near our team next season - he should get a good pre-season under his belt and then go and earn his stripes. As for including Shola in any striker make up - absolutely not, he shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch. Expecting Campbell to act as a competent backup or alternative, at this stage of his development, is in the realms of fantasy. He's a good lad, great work ethic and looks to have some ability. However, he needs to showcase that at a competitive level before he can be relied upon as one of our main striker options. He'll be 19 in January so it shouldn't be too unrealistic and Pardy has basically said he'll be staying here next year. I agree he needs games though. Not far off 19 with next to no experience isn't good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not good enough to be the main striker with shite service, I quite agree. Same service as ba in more games. Ba's all about turning scrap into goals and he's far better at it than Cisse. Cisse will get more goals with good service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Campbell shouldn't be anywhere near our team next season - he should get a good pre-season under his belt and then go and earn his stripes. As for including Shola in any striker make up - absolutely not, he shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch. Expecting Campbell to act as a competent backup or alternative, at this stage of his development, is in the realms of fantasy. He's a good lad, great work ethic and looks to have some ability. However, he needs to showcase that at a competitive level before he can be relied upon as one of our main striker options. He'll be 19 in January so it shouldn't be too unrealistic and Pardy has basically said he'll be staying here next year. I agree he needs games though. Not far off 19 with next to no experience isn't good. It's unrealistic due to his current experience of competitive football. It's unfair because he still wouldn't be developing or obtaining this experience whilst sat on the bench. It's best for all involved if he finds a League One/Two club for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Campbell shouldn't be anywhere near our team next season - he should get a good pre-season under his belt and then go and earn his stripes. As for including Shola in any striker make up - absolutely not, he shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch. Expecting Campbell to act as a competent backup or alternative, at this stage of his development, is in the realms of fantasy. He's a good lad, great work ethic and looks to have some ability. However, he needs to showcase that at a competitive level before he can be relied upon as one of our main striker options. He'll be 19 in January so it shouldn't be too unrealistic and Pardy has basically said he'll be staying here next year. I agree he needs games though. Not far off 19 with next to no experience isn't good. It's unrealistic due to his current experience of competitive football. It's unfair because he still wouldn't be developing or obtaining this experience whilst sat on the bench. It's best for all involved if he finds a League One/Two club for next season. He should really have been out on loan this season rather than next, making him "ready" for the upcoming season. I'd go as far as to say he's wasted a year of his career waiting for a chance he was never going to get. That's probably Pardew's fault for not planning ahead imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not good enough to be the main striker with s**** service, I quite agree. Same service as ba in more games. Ba's all about turning scrap into goals and he's far better at it than Cisse. Cisse will get more goals with good service. This. Having said that can understand the thinking behind selling him if we can get £20m for him, but I already feel one more striker may not be enough, let alone replacing Cisse and I don't have faith the club will get the necessary business done (at least not until January in a panic). Secondly he's a hard worker who has shown he can score goals for fun when in form, and one who seems to really enjoy playing football, despite his failure to deliver for large time periods(when given good balls from Marveaux this season he showed what he can do), I loved his celebration for that Fulham goal, love how he tries the ridiculous and can pull it off and also remember how many times he's been given wrongly offside. There has been an element of bad luck to him this last season, away at Benfica came really close to a hatrick, if he'd just hit the ball slightly different angle... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Campbell shouldn't be anywhere near our team next season - he should get a good pre-season under his belt and then go and earn his stripes. As for including Shola in any striker make up - absolutely not, he shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch. Expecting Campbell to act as a competent backup or alternative, at this stage of his development, is in the realms of fantasy. He's a good lad, great work ethic and looks to have some ability. However, he needs to showcase that at a competitive level before he can be relied upon as one of our main striker options. He'll be 19 in January so it shouldn't be too unrealistic and Pardy has basically said he'll be staying here next year. I agree he needs games though. Not far off 19 with next to no experience isn't good. It's unrealistic due to his current experience of competitive football. It's unfair because he still wouldn't be developing or obtaining this experience whilst sat on the bench. It's best for all involved if he finds a League One/Two club for next season. He should really have been out on loan this season rather than next, making him "ready" for the upcoming season. I'd go as far as to say he's wasted a year of his career waiting for a chance he was never going to get. That's probably Pardew's fault for not planning ahead imo. Probably. But, I wasn't arguing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Even IF we did sell him for above 20 and we DID buy 2 strikers of genuine quality then we would still lack depth. Which is my problem with all of this, why can't we buy two strikers and not sell him? why do we have to sell to finance new signings all the bloody time. Cause the people who run the club have zero ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Was a rhetorical question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Was a rhetorical question My answer was not exactly ground breaking either... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not good enough to be the main striker with shite service, I quite agree. Same service as ba in more games. Ba's all about turning scrap into goals and he's far better at it than Cisse. Cisse will get more goals with good service. is the correct answer. Let's get another striker through the door before selling one of our only goalscorers. If anything we need wide players who can contribute some goals as well not fucking Jonas or Obertan, who apart from providing zero service, shoot like water pistols as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not good enough to be the main striker with s**** service, I quite agree. Same service as ba in more games. Ba's all about turning scrap into goals and he's far better at it than Cisse. Cisse will get more goals with good service. is the correct answer. Let's get another striker through the door before selling one of our only goalscorers. If anything we need wide players who can contribute some goals as well not f***ing Jonas or Obertan, who apart from providing zero service, shoot like water pistols as well. Agree. The horrible inconvenient truth is that we've got most of the tools to use him well already. Gouffran providing the space like Ba did for him at the tail end of 2011-2012, Ben Arfa and Marveaux on the wings dragging full backs all over the place and forcing midfielders to press and create space and Cabaye NOT TIOTE playing the final balls from the middle of the park. I hate supporting Newcastle right now, in the Nolan/Carroll Hughton era, we played to our strengths and we gave good teams lots of problems. We played to our potential and if we got beat it was because we weren't good enough. Now we get beat all the time because Pardew isn't good enough. If we have to have Alan Pardew for the next 7 years, then sell Cisse now for any profit in the hope we get Carroll back. Because this is the only way we're going to win with him at the helm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'd take £15m if they were throwing in Traore too, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Sam Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ah yes, perfect logic to think about selling our only decent striker without a replacement lined up... don't forget we haven't even got a replacement for Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ah yes, perfect logic to think about selling our only decent striker without a replacement lined up... don't forget we haven't even got a replacement for Ba. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 The thought of selling him frightens me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweMatt Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Auba and Bony should be around the £10m each, so we'd have to add a few pounds, but still within being reasonable. Now, I haven't seen them play a lot but their track record is just as good as Cisse's when he joined us. This season, Cisse was not nearly a £15m player. I can't believe how many games I watched him being absolutely useless. Offsides, poor decisions and lack of confidence. I just can't see him going back to his previous form, and we really should be able to get a better player for that kind of money. This is a completely baffling point of view TBH. If we're going to assume that nobody who had a bad season this year can improve then we may as well sell everyone. I can see a lot of players doing a lot better next season. Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, S Taylor and Marveaux just to name a few. I don't think Cisse, Jonas or Shola will improve though. I just don't see any reason to put Cisse in that category at all. He's clearly an absolute top goalscorer and has shown it throughout his career. We're lucky to have him TBH, I just want to get the team functioning better and watch him score the goals. I hope you are right. Eight goals and only three (!) assists last Premiership season in 36 games says something else. Obviously I hope that I am wrong in terms of next season. Yeah he scored 8 league goals in 36 games last season. While he scored 50 goals in the 79 league games he played (Bundesliga and Premier League) before last season. Which one would you say is the odd one out and which one is more suggestive of its true ability? Again, I hope I am wrong. I watched every single game this season (just like the season before that) and I think his lack of other vital skills brings the whole team down. When he is out of form as a poacher he is useless. Unfortunately, we had to play him anyway since we didn't buy backup for him (I am not even counting Shola as a decent replacement). We need three good strikers in the squad. If we keep Cisse I would very much like to see a pacey striker/winger and one physically strong centre forward as well. That would give us competition and different options depending on who we are playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 We need to get new strikers in before we contemplate selling him. Clubs will know we are even more desperate than we are already and will just hike the price up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'd rather sign a replacement if we are going to consider selling him, like a decent sized / well ran club would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 20 Mil form Anzi should be no problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Can't believe some are saying sell him without a seconds thought - sell our only real recognised forward. As it stands we have him and Adam Campbell, a rookie. We need strikers in regardless wether Cisse goes or not - and as I said before I would not trust Ashley one bit to get in adequate replacements. To sell him now would be utter lunacy. Give Cisse good service and he'll score bag fulls, convinced of it. Can't just suggest get rid after one struggle of a season - he's always played on his own up front and basically feeds off scraps every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Well if we sell him i think we are expecting a replacement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ok 25mil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Can't believe some are saying sell him without a seconds thought - sell our only real recognised forward. As it stands we have him and Adam Campbell, a rookie. We need strikers in regardless wether Cisse goes or not - and as I said before I would not trust Ashley one bit to get in adequate replacements. To sell him now would be utter lunacy. Give Cisse good service and he'll score bag fulls, convinced of it. Can't just suggest get rid after one struggle of a season - he's always played on his own up front and basically feeds off scraps every game. Agree with the gist (want to keep him ideally, at least until we have a replacement plus an extra first team striker sorted), and I understand why you didn't include Shola in our forward options, but you must have forgotten about Gouffran if you think it's only him and Campbell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Can't believe some are saying sell him without a seconds thought - sell our only real recognised forward. As it stands we have him and Adam Campbell, a rookie. We need strikers in regardless wether Cisse goes or not - and as I said before I would not trust Ashley one bit to get in adequate replacements. To sell him now would be utter lunacy. Give Cisse good service and he'll score bag fulls, convinced of it. Can't just suggest get rid after one struggle of a season - he's always played on his own up front and basically feeds off scraps every game. Agree with the gist (want to keep him ideally, at least until we have a replacement plus an extra first team striker sorted), and I understand why you didn't include Shola in our forward options, but you must have forgotten about Gouffran if you think it's only him and Campbell? Think it's more to do with the fact Gouffran isn't an out and out striker, like a Cisse. Played mainly on the left/right for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 20m does seem a hell of a lot tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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