pi_D Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Cisse is a victim of the lack of cohesion and purpose in our attacking play. He's been poor but he hasn't been helped by our ramshacke approach. He doesn't get many chances anymore. Most strikers need 3/4 chances a game to score. This. And he seems pretty despondent with the current squad and lack of attacking cohesion. Wouldn't blame him either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 His utter inability to do anything of finish doesn't help He is what he is man, you've gotta make a team with what you've got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I don't know how he's meant to score when he's not being given any chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 14 attempts at goal for us against wham, nothing on target. No idea how many were down to him but really that's enough to win most football matches. He's part of the team that creates chances, we don't have the luxury to be carrying a player, someone standing around demanding chances to be created for him. Had enough of that with Owen and had Owen been playing as badly as this he'd rightly get a shitload of grief. It's time to stop making excuses for your favourite player, no just Cisse, all of them, they simply aren't doing enough, not one of them is showing the qualities they are supposed to have and the manager can only be blamed so much. He got plenty of chances last season and fucked up his part of the move time and time again. Looks like there will be even less chances this season, if he does what he did last season we are in massive trouble. Add to all that he looks like he's given up on the club, I hope that's just him giving up on the manager and not us all together, but ATM he's done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 How many of those 14 were on target and how many of them were a shot from inside the box?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 How many of those 14 were on target and how many of them were a shot from inside the box?? I've just said none on target, it's widely accepted we didn't hit the target at the weekend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 How many of those 14 were on target and how many of them were a shot from inside the box?? I've just said none on target, it's widely accepted we didn't hit the target at the weekend... I watched it, pure piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Play him in a 4-3-3 with Ben Arfa on one side and Gouffran/Remy on the other and he'll score goals; persist with him either as the lone striker or 4-4-2 with Shola alongside him and he'll struggle. I wonder which formation Hot Shots: Pardew will choose to ignore... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Massively over hyped on here, penny finally dropping though. Shame it takes people so f***ing long mind. If people think some other strikers going to come in and start banging in goals without any service they are in for a rude awakening when he's dropped. Remy might be able to pull goals out of thin air, he's a canny dribbler, but a new striker isn't going to magically transform Pardew's turgid football into slick passing heaven. Totally agree. Some people don't seem to grasp that it's not even solely about service, it's also about things like getting men in the box to create space for a striker. We get fewer men into the box regularly than any top flight team I've seen in years. Your service to the striker could be fantastic but if he's marked by the entire back four, he's unlikely to be able to get near it, never mind put it away. This. Our attacking as a team is terrible and it has little to do with personnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 We rarely have more than 2 in the box for the final ball and most of the time one. The striker has seen little support for a long time now. Sissoko has been trying to run in there sometimes, but didn't see much of that againt Wham. The worst examples are when Hatem moves into or near the box from the right, he looks across and there mostly one man marked by 3/4. I don't know if the players are told not to bother with attacking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Play him in a 4-3-3 with Ben Arfa on one side and Gouffran/Remy on the other and he'll score goals; persist with him either as the lone striker or 4-4-2 with Shola alongside him and he'll struggle. I wonder which formation Hot Shots: Pardew will choose to ignore... Its more than just formations.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Play him in a 4-3-3 with Ben Arfa on one side and Gouffran/Remy on the other and he'll score goals; persist with him either as the lone striker or 4-4-2 with Shola alongside him and he'll struggle. I wonder which formation Hot Shots: Pardew will choose to ignore... Its more than just formations.... You're right, the service provided is the worst in the premier league. When deployed in a proper 4-3-3 he was fantastic. The boy's a class act and those that cannot see that deserve Kinnear, Pardew and fat Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Play him in a 4-3-3 with Ben Arfa on one side and Gouffran/Remy on the other and he'll score goals; persist with him either as the lone striker or 4-4-2 with Shola alongside him and he'll struggle. I wonder which formation Hot Shots: Pardew will choose to ignore... Its more than just formations.... It is. Nobody moves around him. He's always marked or playing with his back to goal. No space to exploit. Many strikers would struggle for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Formations do play a part. Cisse with Marveaux behind him would get more in the way of chances because he complements that type of player. Conversely, if we go 4-4-2, he'd really benefit from a winger that can play an early ball. At the minute he's not got the right tools around him, either because the manager puts dangerous players in the wrong position or we simply don't have the players necessary that fit in with how Pardew wants to play. It's a frustrating situation. As it stands, I'd have Gouffran in the team before him taking into account the manager's seemingly preferred style and personnel (assuming Remy comes in for Shola at some point in the coming weeks). Cisse's game is about capitalising on space, we aren't a side that stretches teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 any bids for him yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Play him in a 4-3-3 with Ben Arfa on one side and Gouffran/Remy on the other and he'll score goals; persist with him either as the lone striker or 4-4-2 with Shola alongside him and he'll struggle. I wonder which formation Hot Shots: Pardew will choose to ignore... Its more than just formations.... It is. Nobody moves around him. He's always marked or playing with his back to goal. No space to exploit. Many strikers would struggle for us. Exactly, which is why i want a winger and attacking midfielder over a striker. I believe the strikers we have are good enough but the service from either wide areas or central areas are simply not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Think I saw someone say on another thread that he needs to play in a team that stretches defences and I think that is dead right. Pardew normally lines us up with a right footed full back and a totally ineffective right footed winger on the left, and a left footed winger on the right. Then theres usually 2 central midfielders who rarely go anywhere near the strikers, and there still isn't a proper target man at the club. It's no wonder he struggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Dawg UK Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/papiss-cisse-opens-doors-newcastle-5789391? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Give the man some fucking support for fucks sake!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Good public relations stuff by the kid, shows him in a different light,just need the goals! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 pls play him against morcy, needs gol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Great dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 He and Shola only exchanged 4 passes vs. West Ham Absolutely shocking partnership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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