summerof69 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 If i remember correctly this happened quite often at Villa, they would go through a period of looking fantastic as though they would qualify for the champions league and then they would go through big dip in form, which was usually put down to a small squad(his relatively large budget was also often ignored by the media). I wouldn't be surprised to see this dip continue, but who knows. It will be interesting to see if he follows the same type of transfer dealings as he did at villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 If i remember correctly this happened quite often at Villa, they would go through a period of looking fantastic as though they would qualify for the champions league and then they would go through big dip in form, which was usually put down to a small squad(his relatively large budget was also often ignored by the media). I wouldn't be surprised to see this dip continue, but who knows. It will be interesting to see if he follows the same type of transfer dealings as he did at villa. yep, he needs to find some new workmen who will believe his blarney for a while........ repeat forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Its f***ing great watching the mackems get ahead of themselves, and announce they've arrived on the world stage, so often. and see it all crumble before thier eyes. happens time and again, and yet they still go through the same process. Its like a f***ing disease on Wearside . Watch next as they realise they havent won the cup even tho they are already planning the European trips. Some lad on Total Sport was gutted the other day cause he booked his holidays at the time of the final. It doesn't really matter if they get there, on paper they already are the FA Cup holders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 One thing I remember brummie saying is that O'Neill is pretty much an old-fashioned manager who hasn't really adapted to modern football. That is, O'Neill apparently sticks to old routines and doesn't really incorporate the more modern methods/tactics into training. This could go against the mackems in the long term like (if he stays there for the long haul [5+ years], that is). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 MON staying there for 5 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 MoN is an above average manager ? That remains to be seen. Nothing I've seen so far in his career would suggest that. what? what do you class as an average manager then? MON is just an Irish KK. Above average motivator, lacking in the other skills needed to be a decent manager. This. However you feel about KK walking away for a second time, he is a lot more than a decent manager. If you think playing some of the best and most exciting football the PL has seen makes him just decent then you're wrong. He created fluid football, gave players confidence to do what they wanted to do and played people in their best roles. I don't wish to bring up another KK debate but I'm not going to stand for anyone calling him just a decent manager. Eesh, it was said firmly tongue in cheek but Keegan was never pulling up trees tactically, he brought in flair players and gave them the confidence to perform at their maximum. Arguably, Pards has more tactical nous. [/controversial] O'Neill is similar to Keegan in that way, the vast majority of his results are due to the confidence and belief he instills in the players. You could argue that Pardew has more tactical nous than Keegan but you could make the same argument for Sam Allardyce. Whether it's tactical nous or just impressive sounding sales patter we'll know as things pan out. Keegan's biggest drawback for me was his lack of appetite for working within a budget which pretty much meant he was doomed here once the big spending days were over. But tactics or no tactics he got his team to practise what he preached and it was great to watch. Let's see how we finish this season before we start handing out plaudits for Pardew's football knowledge. It's hardly handing out plaudits to say that Pardew has more tactical nous than Keegan FWIW, KK had great sales patter - read his autobiography and the stuff he span to SJH in order to get the funds released to bring in better players. I'd argue that his sales patter was far superior to anything Pards or FSA could concoct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 MON staying there for 5 years Yep, he'd be crazy to do it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Just turned Total Sport on. First thing I hear is Marco Gabbiadaftcunt mid-sentence saying 'we've had more midweek games than most other teams'. More s*** excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Sunderland 1st Class excuses since 1992 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Just watched the Backroom battle on NUFC TV, and Andy Woodman called someone on the Sunderland bench "Baked Bean Face" Wonder who it was, as JC and Stoney wouldn't say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Just watched the Backroom battle on NUFC TV, and Andy Woodman called someone on the Sunderland bench "Baked Bean Face" Wonder who it was, as JC and Stoney wouldn't say Wes Brown there like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Just turned Total Sport on. First thing I hear is Marco Gabbiadaftcunt mid-sentence saying 'we've had more midweek games than most other teams'. More s*** excuses. Sunderland: there's always an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Keep hearing about the "huge" demand for cup replay tickets at the SOS. 20k+ of the loyalist football supporters the world has ever had, crawling out of the woodwork since the Arsenal game in the last round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 MoN's problem has always been that he doesn't really trust foreign players so he ends up paying over the odds for British players. Unless you can afford the very best that means you can end up with a team that's hard working and committed but not quite good enough to challenge for the European slots. Then he gets pissed of with coming up short after a couple of years and resigns. don't you mean once, at villa? Villa's really the only real barometer though. His side at Leicester was fairly basic and route one and it's hard to judge his time in Scottish football with it being a sub-standard league. He spent a lot of money at Villa to stand still. leicester weren't great but they certainly weren't hoofball merchants either, lets not forget he won the league cup twice with them as well this is getting out of hand, let's assume there are the following broad categories of manager: shit poor average above average good great o'neill is somewhere between above average and good for me, keegan for a time burned between good and looking great but ultimately he'll never be viewed as anything more than above average imo Leicester under MON weren't a long ball hoof team? Give me a pint of what mojo's on.. Not only were they a hoof it team, they relied on set-pieces an awful lot too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Just turned Total Sport on. First thing I hear is Marco Gabbiadaftcunt mid-sentence saying 'we've had more midweek games than most other teams'. More s*** excuses. Be wrong n all. Fairly certain Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man C/U, Spurs & Stoke have rustled up a few Euro/LC games more than the mackems will have played. If they were better and didn't need to draw against every fucker in the cup they wouldn't have the problem in the first place. Dim cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Wes Brown maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 KK vs MON? MON doesn't even coach and leaves the tactics to others. He is basically the motivator. KK was an excellent coach. Everyone who has ever worked under him aknowledged this. Even Tony Adams who was quite critical of him from a defensive coaching perspective, said KK's sessions were fun and varied. Owen also criticised his coaching when England managed but still concedes from a general coaching perspective, sessions were fun and varied. I guess players like Owen and Adams were used to more technical coaching from Houllier and Wenger respectively but all you have to do is look at the performances KK's side's produced and just how many players' games changed for the better under his coaching. Tactically KK is no genius but he's no mug either. That 4-3-3 with Owen deeper was a tactical masterstroke and in his first spell at Newcastle he changed things tactically many a time and many a time for the better. There is no comparision. KK's is a top coach and a very good manager overall. If it wasn't for his emotional weaknesses he'd probably be a top manager today. If I were Chelsea, I'd appoint him because he'd get them playing great football, sign great players, and would easily have them competing again. By the way, I rate MON, he's an above average manager, but he relies more on his assistants and coaches than most and when the motivation doesn't work, he can look like an average manager. Watching some of the mackem games, it appears they have been a bit like us, picking up results despite playing shite football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 KK at Chelsea aye, right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 KK back in management aye, right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 What is wrong with people? KK pisses all over MON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 What is wrong with people? KK pisses all over MON they know, they just look for a KK bite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Could KK handle a cold wednesday night at Inverness like MONg could? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Aye, can see them nicking a draw at home to Spurs. Only thing that matters though is the amount of possession, they'll have more in all the games. FTM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Mackem ranting on the Legends that he had to queue for two hours at the SoS today as a ST holder for a quarter final replay ticket. Didn't even get his usual seat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 There is no comparision. KK's is a top coach and a very good manager overall. If it wasn't for his emotional weaknesses he'd probably be a top manager today. what a load of fucking shit, i'm sorry like i certainly am not trying to get a bite but nor can read this without comment in the above sentence you've just outlined why there's a comparison to be had, keegan had his strengths and also his weaknesses, you can't just ignore the weaknesses because they suit you man i was around during the keegan years and remember it very fondly, he created something special for a short time that had a lasting effect on NUFC for sure...you can't ignore the other periods of his career though, promoted fulham with a lot to spend relatively, was very poor at england, did ok at man city overall but nothing special and looked like he might have a newfound maturity with us the second time around only for it all to blow up we're biased about keegan, and rightly so, but step back and you'd see that his record puts him as a good manager at best, more likely above average MoN achieved a lot with leicester, winning 2 domestic cups, won everything in scotland (fine not gonna overstate that), started well at villa before it fell off and has now come to sunderland and started well again without really having any players of his own choice there's very little between them overall imo other than keegan had the team playing wonderful football for 3-4 seasons, and why shouldn't keegans meltdowns be counted against him out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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