In the name of god Pardew let the team play football!

[Beren]

bloody hell you're all awfully fickle on this forum, no offence. A handful of bad results and talk leads towards pardew bein undermined and then a handful of decent results and all I read is praise and no slaggings for the man.

 

 

No one on the forum (I don't think) has a problem with the results.

 

As a recent example:

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,91381.msg3455825.html#msg3455825

 

If you can be bothered to find the Blackburn (a), Wolves (a) and many, many other fixtures you'll see more of the same

 

 

 

[Rebellious]

I don`t think Pardew is stopping us playing football, we can defend and we can score goals, but we need a few weeks training on passing the ball to a team mate firstly, even when rarely there is a an option in space. Quite how Pardew can be blamed for, Krul, Guthrie, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Willi and Tiote passing it to a Wolves player with no pressure on is puzzling to me. Secondly they need some training on finding some space and giving options. Thirdly they needed to be more alive to a pass, as alive as the Wolves players incepting the intended pass. The second half reminded me of the old Newcastle, getting the ball and instantly giving it away for another 5 min spell of pressure. Ben Arfa reminded me again of Zoggy in his first year, get ball run into touch or player, repeat. Jonas needs to cut down on the B&H as his impressive stamina has done a runner.

[Tooj]

bloody hell you're all awfully fickle on this forum, no offence. A handful of bad results and talk leads towards pardew bein undermined and then a handful of decent results and all I read is praise and no slaggings for the man.

 

 

Aye I remember posts like we are playing the best football since SBR era not long ago.

 

From who? The best football we played since the SBR era was under Keegan.

[captainhaircut]

It's not possible to play good football with Simpson and Williamson at the back. They're both scared of the ball and just punt it away.

 

Teams are playing 5 in midfield against us and leaving us slightly free at the back. Decent players would take advantage of that, those 2 do not.

[Guest neesy111]

We are easy to play against at the moment.

[Zero]

bloody hell you're all awfully fickle on this forum, no offence. A handful of bad results and talk leads towards pardew bein undermined and then a handful of decent results and all I read is praise and no slaggings for the man.

 

 

Aye I remember posts like we are playing the best football since SBR era not long ago.

 

From who? The best football we played since the SBR era was under Keegan.

 

I forget, not dare to dug that out, anyway, Keegan's spell is quite good.

[garth]

What amazes me is, he praised Tottenham two weeks ago, saying they were unstoppable. Yet he still persists with playing the long ball, even though he's seen it doesn't work and playing it like Tottenham does.

[Wardy1963]

Agree totally with Parky's initial post and his later summary.

 

From the start of his appointment, I said we should give him a chance, and there were real improvements defensively - continued into this season. Despite keeping a position high up the table, we are struggling massively since losing Saylor. Willo is so out of his depth it is unreal. Massively frustrating that Simpson gets picked over and over whilst the right side is such a visible weakness.

 

We all have our opinions on Ben Arfa - I am a massive fan. OK, he loses the ball at imes, but look at how many chances he MADE for himself yesterday - don't look at how many times he gave the ball away. If that is the only criteria to judge him by, then use the same criteria for everybody else in the team. I just feel so much for the lad. Having to sit on the bench while Pardew picks a midfield with Perch and Obertan against Spurs, then being brought on yesterday at 2-1 which immediately becomes 2-2. He needs to be able to play in a team where somebody OCCASIONALLY puts him into space, instead of him having to try and do it all. Far too little movement / ambition / vision / creativity etc etc

 

And that is down to Pardew, and hence the original post.

 

Massively frustrated. Then I got home in time to watch the last 15 minutes of the rugby and England throw a lead against Wales away. NOT A GOOD WEEKEND!

[Varadi]

Really poor performance yesterday, we just didn't seem to get started, and Wolves looked more up for it than some of our lot, which was really strange.

 

The derby could be a defining game for Pardew - lose that with another poor performance and I think we'll see large numbers start to turn on him, play well and win and he'll be sorted for the season.

[AlanSkÃrare]

The tactics that beat Man United changed things, it seems. He seems to believe that we can beat every side by just hoofing it to Ba and rely on our forward players to do the business, while defending with the rest. It's worrying.

[TRon]

Beren:

 

Very similar to the reverse fixture with a much fairer result. Interesting and edifying to see that half a season on, the attitude of the board appears to have swung dramatically having watched very similar performances. Judging from the match thread, I think the same level of anger would be directed at the team/Pardew, even if we had undeservedly snuck a 2-1 win this time too.

 

Whilst before there was acceptance, and indeed happiness, that "some days you will play badly and get grind out a result" and that we must not grumble/must accentuate the positives,.... if you continue to apply that over the course of a season bar a handful of times (and I do mean maybe four or five, here), people will become disgruntled.

 

Pardew has wonderful resources at his disposal and for all the credit he deserves for guiding us to 6th in the table at the end of February, we should really analyse what he's working with here.

 

Tiote, Cabaye, Ba, Krul and Colo are incredible players IMO. Beneath that, you've got some real talent in Jonas, HBA and Santon. After that you've got decent players - nowt incredible, but people who can do the simple stuff, work hard and fit into a decent system around such a strong core of other more influential players. [Excluding Cisse for the moment, until more is known].

 

Pardew can take credit for bringing some of those players in, but in terms of shaping a team out of them, he's done a poor job. The evidence for that have been performances - nothing quantifiable that I can back up with stats I'm afraid, just what you can see with your eyes. We don't control possession, we don't dominate games or dictate the tempo of games... ever really. We are lethal with our chances for the most part, we play a direct style and we have ground out results commendably.

 

A good passing team doesn't happen overnight, but I see very little progress being made and if/when the results start to fade, more people will begin to ask Pardew very credible questions. Cabaye might ask him when this passing football he promised will happen, for instance.

 

Today was just one match, but it was (on a very small scale!) a little bit heart-wrenching to see HBA play. He seemed so much more inhibited, hesitant and burdened in his decision-making. He's obviously try to impress Pardew with his workrate, tracking and other aspects of his play - and it all looked a bit forced and unnatural to me. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that it's a team game and individuals shouldn't be prioritised above the team, but I don't really want to see HBA chasing back to our corner flag. If we had a right-back who didn't abrogate responsibility for marking to any willing covering newcomer in that zone, it wouldn't be an issue but I digress.

 

My point is that HBA shouldn't be coached into being Ryan Taylor. We have Ryan Taylor for that. He is HBA and should be let loose unbridled, a la Laurent Robert - he looks so fucking overly-wrought out there mentally.

 

I said at half-time I was not worried and that goals changed games - I did not anticipate that Pardew/the team was happy cede momentum for the remainder of the match - I naively hoped it was just to take the sting out of the game until half-time. Having watched Pardew's love of defending slim leads by throwing on Perchs and Guthries, perhaps I should have known better.

 

Pardew has bought himself a lot of affection/time with our results this season, but despite numerous and repeated warnings, he still has a tremendous amount of work to do in getting us to play better football because eventually results will always begin to reflect performances*.

 

 

Nothing much to add to that really, it echoes a lot of what I've said myself at some point or other this season. My main concern about the topic, Pardew allowing us to play football is: does he even know how? Tbh most of the time it looks like he justs sends out 11 players with rudimentary instructions to defend as a team and hopes for the best.

 

 

[S.S.R.]

The tactics that beat Man United changed things, it seems. He seems to believe that we can beat every side by just hoofing it to Ba and rely on our forward players to do the business, while defending with the rest. It's worrying.

 

Couldn't we ask every side to play Rio Ferdinand?

[TheGuv]

Pards played for a draw yesterday and that is exactly what he got, at home vs 18th in the league.

[Guest neesy111]

Pards played for a draw yesterday and that is exactly what he got, at home vs 18th in the league.

 

He played for the draw at Brighton as well.

[Tooj]

Pards played for a draw yesterday and that is exactly what he got, at home vs 18th in the league.

 

He played for the draw at Brighton as well.

 

We played 4-3-3 at Brighton.

[Darth Crooks]

Far too many of them in the game. You could argue when the stakes are as high as they are in this league then theres a case for it. Though me, myself and I all know that that logic will get you fucking nowhere.

[Guest neesy111]

Pards played for a draw yesterday and that is exactly what he got, at home vs 18th in the league.

 

He played for the draw at Brighton as well.

 

We played 4-3-3 at Brighton.

 

No it wasn't.  It was 4-5-1 also many on here picked up on Pardew and his comments which suggested he was going for the draw.

[Tooj]

Pards played for a draw yesterday and that is exactly what he got, at home vs 18th in the league.

 

He played for the draw at Brighton as well.

 

We played 4-3-3 at Brighton.

 

No it wasn't.  It was 4-5-1 also many on here picked up on Pardew and his comments which suggested he was going for the draw.

 

It was definitely a 4-3-3. There was just no fluidity to our play at all, which made it even more baffling as we were very good first half at Fulham.

[Stottie]

Pass, move, triangles, ... it can't be that difficult when we're near full strength.

[TRon]

Pass, move, triangles, ... it can't be that difficult when we're near full strength.

 

It's not that difficult if you preach passing football and actually coach it like, for example Keegan did. Pardew on the other hand talks a good game with his incessant guff about formations and tactics but his teams don't actually play football as good as his patter.

[Dr Venkman]

Will fully make my mind up on him next season. He's gotten stuck in his approach to the first few games of this season which was don't concede and score if the opposition let you.

 

Needs to change the philosophy with the players we've got. I'm trying to hold onto the belief that next season with upgrades in the wide positions he'll try and play football and we'll get better. But we've had an upgrade in both the wide positions sitting on the bench all season and Pardew's spent the entire time reminding everyone what he's not very good at.

 

I'm losing faith in him fast.

[Shayno]

Something other than 4-4-2 would be fucking great. You can't keep signing players brought up in other systems and expect to convert them all to 4-4-2. Play to your strengths

[Parky]

Who plays a rigid 442 in the PL?

[Parky]

"Strengths: Possessing unwavering self-confidence, Pardew's belief in his own ability has carried him a long way thus far in his managerial career. He also has a deep belief in the merits of a psychological and motivational approach to football, and his successes at Reading, West Ham and Southampton prove that his approach can bear fruit.

 

Weaknesses: Despite priding himself on being a good man-manager, Pardew struggled to handle the big personalities of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano at West Ham. After his sacking by the Hammers, Tevez said: "I don't think he had a clear idea about my game or what to do. He was a good football man but more suited to coaching English teams without foreigners with big reputations." The likes of Andy Carroll and Joey Barton should provide an interesting challenge for him.

 

Career high: Taking West Ham to within moments of a first major trophy since 1980, before Steven Gerrard shattered that dream in the 2006 FA Cup final. Had the Hammers won, Pardew's managerial stock would have soared and who knows what he could have gone on to achieve.

 

Career low: Failing to keep Charlton in the Premier League in 2007 and then also failing to mount a serious challenge for promotion the following season, resulting in his dismissal.

 

Tactics: Pardew has previously used the phrase "Tenacity, Spirit and Flair" to describe his teams' approach and he will certainly attempt to bring Magpies' the brand attacking football that they have craved over the years.

 

Quotes: Pardew got himself in hot water for the following comments on Match of the Day about Michael Essien's physicality against Ched Evans: "He [Essien] knocks him off like he ain't there, he absolutely rapes him and then plays into the striker."

 

Trivia: Pardew's love for all things motivational led to him pinning excerpts from speeches by Winston Churchill and Martin Luther King to the walls of the changing room at Reading's training ground. "

 

 

 

Stoke are renowned for bombarding the opposition with the long throw of Rory Delap and making the most of set-pieces, a policy which has led them to the FA Cup semi-finals.

 

And while Pulis is famous for spats with rival Premier League bosses such as Mark Hughes and Arsene Wenger, who he has refused to shake hands with on occasion, Pardew is full of praise for the Potters boss.

 

He told the Chronicle: “Tony Pulis is a good friend of mine.

 

“I know him well, I’ve been to see him a few times this season and I speak him regularly." 

 

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[Wullie]

Who plays a rigid 442 in the PL?

 

Spurs play pretty much as orthodox a 4-4-2 as you will see, Man United have also returned to it in the last two seasons after a few years of playing with 1 up. 4-4-2 is not "dead" as some people will have you believe but it depends very much on the quality of the wide players, it doesn't work with players who are there to be functional and defensive, nor with full backs who can't get forward on the overlap.