Guest zicomartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm so pleased we play 'front foot football'. I'm not sure what that is exactly, but I'm sure when somebody at the club works it out, they can teach it to the young players, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The biggest red flag is that we can't get any of these guys loaned out and when we do it's to a lower division. Vuckic was at Cardiff two seasons ago and now he's at Rotherham.. Bigi won the Championship's Apprentice of the Year Award and now can't find anyone to take him. Something isn't working here.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Trouble is in any argument to their ability, there's a pattern forming, at one time Vukic was hot property across Europe, we stole a march on him iirc and we've all seen what Bigi can do, even Ferguson was showing promise when he came into out first team. Yet they ALL seem to be failing OR more likely we are failing them. None of us are in a position to say which way the blame lies but it doesn't look good on our coaching team. It's not doing Ashley's business model any good and it's not exactly making us an attractive proposition to potential youth signings. Anyone know how Good is doing btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Trouble is in any argument to their ability, there's a pattern forming, at one time Vukic was hot property across Europe, we stole a march on him iirc and we've all seen what Bigi can do, even Ferguson was showing promise when he came into out first team. Yet they ALL seem to be failing OR more likely we are failing them. None of us are in a position to say which way the blame lies but it doesn't look good on our coaching team. It's not doing Ashley's business model any good and it's not exactly making us an attractive proposition to potential youth signings. Anyone know how Good is doing btw? You can add Kadar to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 It's a tough one. Young players very rarely live up to the potential they show when they are younger. 17-20 years old is a key point in player development where they will either sink or swim. We may well have fucked up our end of the deal by not doing enough to develop these players but there are so many other things that can go wrong, and do go wrong, that it's impossible to lay the blame directly at the feet of the coaching staff. It can come down to attitude (Nile Ranger), players just not progressing beyond a certain level (Alan O'Brien), or never developing enough physically (Richard Offiong). Kadar, who was mentioned above, had a hard time with injuries, didn't he? I'm sure that the coaching staff we have can be improved upon, without question. But a lot of it comes down to the players themselves. The likes of Vuckic have opportunities to prove themselves now. Some use those opportunities well and flourish (Fraser Foster) and others don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/mark-douglas-gaels-tale-should-6684677#.UvT1zNSpcK8.twitter "But since bursting onto the scene he has gone backwards. The last time I spoke to someone with influence at Newcastle they suggested it might never happen for him at the club, despite the obvious talent he had. When asked why, there was no real explanation." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Depressing reading, even in the trouble and strife of last season I thought he looked good. Probably needs to learn to be 6'4 or be a tackle to get on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Couldn't see any great desire to win football matches... No great loss... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Remember when Pardew started him at RM against Benfica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 His early form for us would have come in handy over the next few weeks, pity we seem to have set him back as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Remember when Pardew started him at RM against Benfica? Aye...it was all part of Pardew's lull them into a false sense of security for 70 minutes tactic and then attack for 20. It was a genius masterplan for two reasons. 1) When the 70 minutes mark came, Benfica would be completely surprised but be too tired to do anything about it and 2) We would conserve energy for the next league game despite it being an unimportant one against whomever. Simple but fucking ingenious. It's the reason why manager of the year accolades were bestowed upon him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Remember when Pardew started him at RM against Benfica? Aye...it was all part of Pardew's lull them into a false sense of security for 70 minutes tactic and then attack for 20. It was a genius masterplan for two reasons. 1) When the 70 minutes mark came, Benfica would be completely surprised but be too tired to do anything about it and 2) We would conserve energy for the next league game despite it being an unimportant one against whomever. Simple but f***ing ingenious. It's the reason why manager of the year accolades were bestowed upon him. Don't get me started on the stupidity of that whole charade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I was thinking earlier, love how this lad has been completely out in the cold since getting hauled off at half time against Benfica. Didn't even make the bench for the rest of that season and one appearance against Morecambe this year. Management. Bet he's delighted he sacrificed regular football to come here. Suppose at least he gets to work with Premier League coaches. Stop laughing at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Remember when Pardew started him at RM against Benfica? Aye...it was all part of Pardew's lull them into a false sense of security for 70 minutes tactic and then attack for 20. It was a genius masterplan for two reasons. 1) When the 70 minutes mark came, Benfica would be completely surprised but be too tired to do anything about it and 2) We would conserve energy for the next league game despite it being an unimportant one against whomever. Simple but f***ing ingenious. It's the reason why manager of the year accolades were bestowed upon him. Don't get me started on the stupidity of that whole charade A lot of people defend that tactic on here though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Remember when Pardew started him at RM against Benfica? Aye...it was all part of Pardew's lull them into a false sense of security for 70 minutes tactic and then attack for 20. It was a genius masterplan for two reasons. 1) When the 70 minutes mark came, Benfica would be completely surprised but be too tired to do anything about it and 2) We would conserve energy for the next league game despite it being an unimportant one against whomever. Simple but f***ing ingenious. It's the reason why manager of the year accolades were bestowed upon him. Don't get me started on the stupidity of that whole charade A lot of people defend that tactic on here though. Everyone is entitled to their view of course its just one I don't share Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 NUFC - career graveyard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 NUFC - career graveyard. Say that to Carroll and Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Made 25 appearances last season. Now we're without Perch, Gutierrez, Cabaye & Vuckic (and Marveaux more or less) in the same positon it would make complete sense he's vanished into oblivion. Naturally he's not a Dan Gosling who has it all (but a deal for next year) but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Remember when Pardew started him at RM against Benfica? Aye...it was all part of Pardew's lull them into a false sense of security for 70 minutes tactic and then attack for 20. It was a genius masterplan for two reasons. 1) When the 70 minutes mark came, Benfica would be completely surprised but be too tired to do anything about it and 2) We would conserve energy for the next league game despite it being an unimportant one against whomever. Simple but f***ing ingenious. It's the reason why manager of the year accolades were bestowed upon him. Don't get me started on the stupidity of that whole charade A lot of people defend that tactic on here though. It was fucking ridiculous. All it meant was that if Benfica scored we would have even less time to find 3 goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 NUFC - career graveyard. Say that to Carroll and Cabaye Carroll would have gone the same way were it not for 'the luck' of us being relegated. Cabaye was on an upwards trajectory regardless of what club he went to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I thought he'd had a bad injury and was just coming back from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Bigi's problem is that he played quite well, which was naughty. No wonder Pardew hates him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Much rather Bigi played than Dan "no discernible talent and leaving next month" Gosling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Much rather Bigi played than Dan "no discernible talent and leaving next month" Gosling. Gosling's fully earned his place in the side by not being shit on the right wing against Benfica a year ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Bigi's problem is that he played quite well, which was naughty. No wonder Pardew hates him. 2-0 up but still ventured forward to look for the 3rd. Worst thing he could have ever done. Daft lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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