themanupstairs Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Don't forget Cisse himself. A player that contributes nothing. Simply put: keeping on as many match winners as possible when chasing a game in the last 25 minutes is something 95% of managers do. Especially when a team has so few. Pardew took off a more defensive player for a striker and kept on his AM. He would be criticised for being too defensive if he had taken off an attacker for an attacker. It may not have been the correct substitution but it was logical and made sense. Agreed, BUT, Anita was having a very good game as well, and was as likely to pop up with an assist, a goal, or even just create an opening as anyone else on the pitch. It isn't an argument about whether Anita or Cabaye should have been taken off. Both of them could have been kept on the pitch, and with a slight re-jig of the formation, we could have kept the pressure on. The point is rendered moot in this case because of the injury to Nasri IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Man City would have easily won the midfield battle and put 2-3 goals past us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Man City would have easily won the midfield battle and put 2-3 goals past us. They did put 2 past us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I was referring to after that sub Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I was referring to after that sub I know, i was being pedantic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Par for the course I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Par for the course I suppose I thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Man City would have easily won the midfield battle and put 2-3 goals past us. Have to disagree. They struggled to cope with Ben Arfa for even 10 minutes. Anita/Tiote had the midfield battle in their pockets, wasn't until Anita came off we stopped picking up the second balls and lost control. Cabaye was the one who was looking ineffective behind Remy from an attacking point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Man City would have easily won the midfield battle and put 2-3 goals past us. Have to disagree. They struggled to cope with Ben Arfa for even 10 minutes. Anita/Tiote had the midfield battle in their pockets, wasn't until Anita came off we stopped picking up the second balls and lost control. Cabaye was the one who was looking ineffective behind Remy from an attacking point of view. I don't like Cabaye in that role at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Man City would have easily won the midfield battle and put 2-3 goals past us. Have to disagree. They struggled to cope with Ben Arfa for even 10 minutes. Anita/Tiote had the midfield battle in their pockets, wasn't until Anita came off we stopped picking up the second balls and lost control. Cabaye was the one who was looking ineffective behind Remy from an attacking point of view. I don't like Cabaye in that role at all. Me either, don't think we really have one. Would have liked to seen Marv dropped in there for 15 minutes against City though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Man City would have easily won the midfield battle and put 2-3 goals past us. Have to disagree. They struggled to cope with Ben Arfa for even 10 minutes. Anita/Tiote had the midfield battle in their pockets, wasn't until Anita came off we stopped picking up the second balls and lost control. Cabaye was the one who was looking ineffective behind Remy from an attacking point of view. I don't like Cabaye in that role at all. Me either, don't think we really have one. Would have liked to seen Marv dropped in there for 15 minutes against City though. Does anyone else than Pardew like Cabaye in that role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Well he's tried Cabaye/Ben Arfa/Sissoko in the role, he's kind of running out of options really. I don't particuarly like any of them in that position as they are better elsewhere. Would help if we just signed someone who is suitable for that role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 He's not dropping Tiote/Cabaye and he wants to shoe-horn Anita in because he deserves to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'd prefer Cabaye there rather than have him too deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 He's never looked like dropping Sissoko either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye for Marveaux would have been my change, would have taken off Gouffran for Ben Arfa before that though. Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Cabaye isn't very good in the advanced role tbh, he doesn't have the agility or dynamism to escape his markers in tight spaces. His best role is playing in between Tiote and an advanced midfielder, sadly though the only player we have that can fulfill that role Marveaux hasn't been seen in ages. So we are forced to play Cabaye in a position where he struggles because we have no one else, he's no AM that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Very true. He's much better sitting deeper where he can see the game unfold that going forward where the above weaknesses are exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Said this awhile ago when people were crying out for him to play further forward. He's at his best with time and space to pick a pass.. preferrably long distance, he doesn't get that higher up. He's a good finisher when running onto the ball from deeper, whether in the box or outside. He's not like Nolan who could find space in the box if it was crowded... And then there's the slow feet/no pace.. His position for France is just perfect. He's not the deepest nor the furthest forward whenever i've seen them. Don't know why we can't play a real 4-3-3. Our wide players are so deep that we need a CM to always be pished up, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 No wonder we keep losing if our cm is always pished up ffs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Said this awhile ago when people were crying out for him to play further forward. He's at his best with time and space to pick a pass.. preferrably long distance, he doesn't get that higher up. He's a good finisher when running onto the ball from deeper, whether in the box or outside. He's not like Nolan who could find space in the box if it was crowded... And then there's the slow feet/no pace.. His position for France is just perfect. He's not the deepest nor the furthest forward whenever i've seen them. Don't know why we can't play a real 4-3-3. Our wide players are so deep that we need a CM to always be pished up, 3 flat CMs behind the front 3 should be more than enough cover for Ben Arfa (on his respective side). If that means Anita b/c of his intelligence and discipline over Sissoko, so be it. Cabaye should always be the main-stay of the 3 with a combination of Tiote, Anita, Sissoko if we never use Marveaux in that #10 role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Don't forget Cisse himself. A player that contributes nothing. Simply put: keeping on as many match winners as possible when chasing a game in the last 25 minutes is something 95% of managers do. Especially when a team has so few. Pardew took off a more defensive player for a striker and kept on his AM. He would be criticised for being too defensive if he had taken off an attacker for an attacker. It may not have been the correct substitution but it was logical and made sense. Agreed, BUT, Anita was having a very good game as well, and was as likely to pop up with an assist, a goal, or even just create an opening as anyone else on the pitch. It isn't an argument about whether Anita or Cabaye should have been taken off. Both of them could have been kept on the pitch, and with a slight re-jig of the formation, we could have kept the pressure on. The point is rendered moot in this case because of the injury to Nasri IMO. is the right answer i suppose, don't necessarily disagree with keeping "match-winners" on the pitch, who would (?), but in the context of that game i disagreed fundamentally with taking anita off and always will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Still don't think Anita will get an extended run in the side over Tiote and Sissoko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Said this awhile ago when people were crying out for him to play further forward. He's at his best with time and space to pick a pass.. preferrably long distance, he doesn't get that higher up. He's a good finisher when running onto the ball from deeper, whether in the box or outside. He's not like Nolan who could find space in the box if it was crowded... And then there's the slow feet/no pace.. His position for France is just perfect. He's not the deepest nor the furthest forward whenever i've seen them. Don't know why we can't play a real 4-3-3. Our wide players are so deep that we need a CM to always be pished up, Agree with this, it suits the personnel we've got. Gouffran on the left side of a front 3 would be really interesting, as would recalling Ben Arfa to the right side. A midfield of any 3 from Cabaye, Anita, Tiote and Sissoko should work too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Pardew likes 4 at the back and 4 in midfield. We call it a 4-2-3-1 but it's a 4-4-1-1 in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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